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LostInParadise's avatar

Would it be grounds for impeachment if Trump declares a national emergency over the Wall?

Asked by LostInParadise (25774points) January 9th, 2019

This is where things appear to be headed. Neither side is backing down, and we can’t go on much longer with the shutdown. Trump will do anything to avoid losing, and has suggested that he may declare a national emergency. He has the authority to declare a national emergency over anything he wants, but in this case, could it be considered an abuse of power, and would it therefore be grounds for impeachment? I have been reluctant to back impeachment, but I think in this case it would be necessary as a constitutional issue. Otherwise there is no restraint on the president. He would have absolute authority.

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stanleybmanly's avatar

No. Trump is hoping to be forced from the corner in which he has painted himself through some imposed judicial restraint. This would allow him to throw up his hands before his base with “I tried my best”. As with the other shutdowns, the Republicans are gonna take the hit for this one. Just as Newt Gingrich was reduced to a political afterthought due to HIS shutdown crowning a long list of “irregularities”, this fkup will just be added to the cumulative pile on the road to the 25th amendment.

mazingerz88's avatar

I personally don’t think impeachment will be good taking the whole country into consideration. To me it seems there are already grounds for impeachment even if trump doesn’t declare a bogus national emergency.

I think he is practically daring opposition to go nuts on him because he does know himself. He knows he can’t stop from being the crazy vain reality TV show host con man that he is.

He simply just doesn’t give a crap anymore. He is aware he is detested and is seen as a sick orange clown bent on creating chaos willing to sacrifice the country to satiate his dark psychotic needs. He is just totally lost.

flutherother's avatar

The president should only call a national emergency to deal with an urgent crisis when there is no time to get Congress involved. Obviously Congress is already involved in this case and using this special power to bypass the usual political process is a pretty blatant abuse of power. I don’t see Trump being impeached over this but perhaps the 1976 National Emergencies Act should be re-examined as it puts too much power in the hands of one man.

Inspired_2write's avatar

For wasting the public’s money to broadcast his platform and cause fear instead of calm, he will be reprimanded and probably already in that process behind the scenes as Pence is sent to talks with Congress now, instead of Trump himself.
With Pence taking Trumps place in negotiations , it is a sure sign of a transition where Pence is been set up to take the position of President already…so an impeachment IS coming.

janbb's avatar

@Inspired_2write Or perhaps a resignation deal?

stanleybmanly's avatar

There’s the problem. When the time comes whereupon it is universally agreed that the fool’s gotta go, how is it to be achieved?

zenvelo's avatar

As @stanleybmanly alludes, it is much more likely that the 25th amendment will be invoked and he is found unfit to serve. Today’s tantrum is just one step closer.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Some people just don’t seem to understand that there is no negotiating, with trump, no compromise. Baby Hands won’t settle for anything less than 100% of what he wants.
Further more, he is trying to make it impossible for them to even do what they are legally allowed to do! It’s in our Constitution, of course, considering our government was built by immigrants. Why is he doing this? Does his racism run THAT deep? Or is it all now a matter of some fucked up principal?

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Fakked up psychosis.

janbb's avatar

There is a legal precedent that may be invoked if he tries to declare a national emergency; Truman and the steel industry strike. My guess is that the Supreme Court would be involved fairly quickly and things would not go well for Trump if he tries it.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trump has painted himself into a corner !

Not the brightest bulb on the tree but he’s the one everyone is looking at for his tantrum today!

Oh his lies per day is up almost 20 !

zenvelo's avatar

I terms of impeachment, though, the grounds for impeachment are really what Congress decides are grounds. And then if the Senate agrees. It isn’t like a criminal case, or determining guilt or innocence of a crime.

Jaxk's avatar

There is no doubt that an immediate court challenge would ensue. I have no doubt it would go to the Supreme Court but it seems ridiculous to try impeachment before the court challenge plays out. Democrats have been screaming impeachment from the day Trump was elected so I wouyldn’t put it pass them but there is no chance of removing him from office. Just a little compromise from Pelosi and the Dems would solve all this but solving the problem is not what they want.

Dutchess_III's avatar

What “little compromise” would that be, @Jaxk?

Jaxk's avatar

Something more than zero.

Dutchess_III's avatar

For all we know they HAVE offered some compromises, but Trump refuses to consider anything less than 100% of what he wants.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I’m waiting for the orange haired wunderkind (just ask him) to declare a national emergency (like bombing of Pearl Harbor) for getting his wall, made by companies he has interests in Steel and coal companies.

25th Amendment and we have Pence !

Dutchess_III's avatar

Hey @Jaxk. trump is stalling Dems AND Republicans. Come again with this is happening because the Dems refuse to compromise?
This is all Trump. 100%. He doesn’t care who may lose their homes, be on the streets because of his temper tantrum. He does not care.

Jaxk's avatar

Sorry @Dutchess_III but the Dems have not offered anything as a compromise. It’s the same fencing they voter for with Obama but they want the issue not the solution. Apparently you do too.

Dutchess_III's avatar

How do you know @Jaxk? He’s turning away all offers by both Democrats and Repuiblicans that are anything less than 100% of what he wants. How do you know who has offered what, @Jaxk?

Jaxk's avatar

There has been no offer. Pelosi has said she will give nothing for for a wall. No border fencing will be appropriated. That is not negotiating. This whole problem could be solved today if she bend a little.

LostInParadise's avatar

Or if Trump bent a little. Both sides are dug in. There had been talk of having Trump reinstate DACA in exchange for the wall, but that effort apparently fell through. Jared Kushner was involved with with that, which I took to be a bad sign.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Like someone said in the late 1700’s “let them eat cake!” No feeling for anyone but themselves.

He will let the USA go down the drain just to make money from his (Eric and Donny Jr’s connection in the coal and steel industries too) for making the wall. He will not compromise just like all the companies he ran into bankruptcy.

zenvelo's avatar

@Jaxk The Democrats offered $1.3 Billion for Border Security. It was considered a non-starter, and were told $5 Billion or shutdown. The White House refuses to negotiate or offer an alternative.

Jaxk's avatar

As I linked above, nothing for the fence. A compromise is where both parties get something they want. The Dems merely want a shutdown so they can scream and yell. Everybody loses.

flutherother's avatar

Why would anyone want a shutdown?

Jaxk's avatar

The Dems feel it’s a winning issue for them. If they can blame the Republicans they win political power. That’s what the shutdown is all about.

flutherother's avatar

No one wants a shutdown. The shutdown isn’t the issue. The issue is the wall.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Jaxk The Dems don’t need to blame anyone. It wasn’t the Dems who made the ridiculous claim that a wall would be built with Mexican financing. Perhaps the dummy should try blaming Mexico for the stupidities tumbling from that mouth of his. It’s Trump who will unquestionably wear the blame for the wall. The Dems can justifiably rejoice in the fact that the Republicans can be blamed for Trump. THERE’s your winning issue.

LostInParadise's avatar

Trump’s base expect the wall. Trump will most likely declare a national emergency. Then no matter what the courts decide, he can say he did his best.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

But it will be his last hurrah !

It is not a National Emergency or the Secret Service wouldn’t have let him get with 50 miles of the border; it is a profit center for Trump and his family (maybe Putin will sell some steel for the Wall/Steel barrier for a profit TOO).

National Emergency was the Pearl Harbor bombing.

zenvelo's avatar

One problem he would will have calling it a national emergency has been his waffling back and forth demonstrates that it isn’t all that urgent, so when it goes before a judge, he’ll lose.

If it was really an emergency, he would have funded the government three weeks ago and then declared it an emergency. Now the only emergency is he looks like an even bigger fool.

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