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stanleybmanly's avatar

Do you believe Trump’s apologists really cannot see that “it walks like a duck”?

Asked by stanleybmanly (19700points) 3 weeks ago from iPhone

God knows the quacking is beyond dispute.

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Inspired_2write's avatar

My bet is that they DO see but are afraid of losing there status, job, money, etc
Too bad ethics are not in there repertoire.

KNOWITALL's avatar

They don’t care and they certainly don’t care what liberals think..lol The more you gripe about him and go after him, the more votes he’ll get in 2020. Welcome to partisan politics.

JLeslie's avatar

I think some of them really do see him as a good guy. I’m not trying to defend him, but I know people who know Trump, or at minimum have interacted with him, and they say he was incredibly nice, and think he means no harm. I’ve seen commentators on TV who know him, don’t like what he is doing as president, agree that they don’t believe he’s racist from how he has interacted in private settings. All sorts of examples like that. Some of them are in a little denial I think, but some totally blinded.

Others are going along because they personally benefit.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I don’t believe that Trump is racist or a fascist. That is I don’t believe Trump has anything against black people or Mexicans in reality, UNLESS they are “bad for his bottom line”. In other words, if his base is repelled, the fool falls in line. It is easy to recognize and catalog Trump’s fascist tendencies, but those are inadequate to pin the label of fascist on a man incapable of discerning a fellow fascist from a baked potato.

JLeslie's avatar

^^I think immigration, especially illegal immigration, helps part of his corporate supporters. They like hiring immigrants they can exploit.

flutherother's avatar

Trump walks like a fascist dictator and has no place in American politics. America can’t be America with him in charge.

ucme's avatar

Trump’s secret service guys spot a sniper…“Donald…duck!!”
More sniping on here than anywhere else & surprise, surprise…all miss the target.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Are you kidding? Ray Charles couldn’t miss his broad ass? The fool is so deplorable that ANY INSULT IS RIGHT ON THE MONEY

ucme's avatar

From your perspective, sure.
From his though, not only will he never see them, but even if he did, he’d laugh & continue being president not giving a merry shit.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@KNOWITALL gave a great summation of Trump supporters. They are hypocrites… And don’t stand by their own declared morals… What a great segment of America…

Dutchess_III's avatar

Getting closer to impeachment folks.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@MrGrimm888 Well that’s not exactly what I said. I am surrounded by them and they truly believe the liberals hate Trump so much that they are making all this up. After the Kavanaugh situation, they stopped believing anything liberals couldn’t PROVE.

As far as being hypocrits, I see how you could say that of the religious right, but he’s also made some powerful moves that pacify them. Liberals only alienate that segment.

You may not like him, but he knows how to work people. The worst thing you could do is to underestimate him-again. And with all the Dem candidates, you aren’t building confidence in centrists.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They also refuse to believe things we CAN prove.

You know, I would admire them if they actually refused to believe something that hasn’t been proven. They don’t, though. They believe whatever nonsense their side spews.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@KNOWITALL . My opinions on Trump are based solely on his own rhetoric, and actions. I know the right likes to think that anyone who hates Trump is clinging to a conspiracy, but that’s mostly not the case. All of my issues with Trump, are grounded in his actual words, actions, or agenda. If anyone is on the fence about Trump, then they are just as much of a lost cause as his supporters. And therefore, I will have to wait for them to die out, or be bred out, by the minorities that will soon be the majority…

There are indeed a lot of Democratic candidates. The left is not as simple as the right, who are pursuing a war on women’s rights, and anyone non-whote/non-Christian. It is that laser focus that makes the right such an easy group to pander to/manipulate, if someone is running on the right.
The left has strong issues too, but are fractured in which issues should be priorities, and how to accomplish their goals. Same with the candidates. The only thing that they all see as a priority, is getting Trump out, in time to save what is left of a once great nation.
If you are insinuating that the sheer number, and variety of dem candidates is a weakness to the Democratic hope for a candidate to beat Trump, you are correct. I firmly believe that Bernie split the left, just enough, to keep Hillary from winning in a landslide, instead of just getting more votes than Trump.

The left will have to find one or two strong issues to unite on, and run on those platforms. I’m hoping that the environment, and healthcare, will be what they settle on. It will take one candidate, who sticks to a few issues that are a main concern for ALL on the left, to be a real threat to Trump.

As far as Trump knowing how “to talk to people,” you mean manipulate the more gullible parts of the American population.

Trump.gets 100% of the white bigots, and nationalists ( probably some of his smarter supporters, sadly.) And he owns the weak minded as well.

The dems need an issue that motivates the left, like bigotry motivates the right. And then they need to convince the smarter part of the country to simply go out and vote D.

The later, is more difficult, and will be the biggest challenge for whomever ends up running against Trump in 2020.

As far as underestimation. The only thing I underestimatedlast time, was just how pathetic a third of Americans were. I’m not the only one who realized, how easily those shameful sheep can be led. What you call “pacifying the religious,” is simply the right understanding what carrot makes them move. The Republicans have long been able to manipulate the right with religion. But recently, they realized that the right is also full of bigotry, and xenophobia. Tapping into both of these stong roots of the right wingers, has combined our nation’s worst, into a concentrated blob of dependable republican voters.
Abortion, anti-homosexual, and racist rhetoric, is the carrot that moves these deplorables. There just isn’t such a uniting carrot for the left…

Liberals, and others “alienate” the religious right, because theyare the biggest hypocrites of all. Pointing out obvious contradictions with the actions/agenda of the POTUS, and the religious right’s claimed beliefs, is hoped to snap them out of their current deal with the Devil…

stanleybmanly's avatar

@KNOWITALL He Knows how to work STUPID people. The worst thing liberals or anyone else can do is to underestimate the extent of THAT stupidity. You can say what you will, but there comes a point when the facts must be faced. Trump is the living vindication of our elitist founding fathers who openly stated that the common people lack the wit for self governance.

mazingerz88's avatar

@ucme You haven’t been paying attention. trump loses sleep knowing millions of Americans see him as a piece of shit. Happy griping about gripers!

ucme's avatar

@mazingerz88 Haha, he really isn’t aware of the hysterical whining on here & if anyone ever showed him, he’d wet himself laughing…trust me.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@MrGrimm888 Well there’s an awful lot I could say regarding your post and the people you are belittling, but I won’t, we’ve been down this road a few times now.

And if you don’t think Dems are being manipulated by the political machine just as easily as Reps right now, I think you’re being intentionally obtuse, my friend….lol

mazingerz88's avatar

@ucme My mistake, it’s not only that you haven’t been paying attention but you are totally ignorant of the point of the griping happening here. You assume only Fluther members get to read these comments. You know nothing but to mock people with serious concerns. Your opinions from across the pond are utterly useless.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@mazingerz88 At least @ucme tries to keep it light and seems to think both parties have some foolish participants which is probably closer to the truth than anyone else’s opinions. I think he has a great sense of humor and appreciate it for the intent.

What about @SQUEEKY, or @ragingloli, etc….? Literally never heard one positive comment on the US from either of them that I recall but they are welcomed because they agree with the majority of Dems here that the US sucks?

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Oh is that what it is? Light banter and attempt at humor? I only read his humorous comments on trump haters but not once on trump butt worshipers.

Stache's avatar

If someone thinks the only place people or complaining about Trump is on Fluther they need to get out of their mother’s basement.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@mazingerz88 Seems to me he thinks all of us that are interested in politics are rather amusing, there are a lot of people like that in the world.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^True. And I wish I can be one of them and watch what’s happening here politically with amusement rather than distress. Truth be told.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@mazingerz88 Same. If I weren’t firmly convinced that all of them count on us not paying attention to keep screwing us over, I would love the luxury of trusting them so I could ignore them all. :)

Dutchess_III's avatar

I am seriously not sure how in touch with the real world trump is. I heard a rumor once that his aides only show him news articles that put him in a favorable light.
I also saw a twitter comment once where he said he was our favorite president of all time…“At least I hope I’m your favorite president,” he said.
As delusional as he is, it’s possible he’s clueless.

JLeslie's avatar

@Dutchess_III I bet that’s at least partly true. I think he must have an Inkling some people aren’t happy though, since he calls people liars in the media, and he has some friends who have turned on him.

ucme's avatar

Well grease my pipes with a salty condiment, seems to have caused a bit of a to do :D
Oh & for the record, my basement is the working quarters for our saucy maid from below stairs, mummy has a cottage in the country :D

Dutchess_III's avatar

He is incredibly self deceiving though @JLeslie. It’s mind blowing.

stanleybmanly's avatar

He is beyond that. I mean it’s actually an incredible thing to watch. It doesn’t matter what he is talking about—any subject no matter how critical or mundane, whatever the topic, fewer than half the words erupting from him can be regarded as credible! How do you make sense of someone operating like that? What and when should you believe what he says? Does he EVER know himself?

Dutchess_III's avatar

And he makes up words like a precocious 3 year old.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@KNOWITALL . I think the Democratic party is crap too. And I agree that they are also are ultimately motivated by greed, and building their own wealth.
However, their policies are nowhere near as destructive as that of the Trump led gop.

As you know, I don’t vote. That’s because I support neither party, for the reasons I just mentioned.

I do/will go out of my way to call out the atrocious agenda of the current administration, and call out those who support it though. Sometimes, the truth is belittling. Sometimes, people should be shamed. The religious right, should be able to see the error in their support of trump. So, they fall into only two possible categories. They are either ignorant of the harm of this administration’s agenda, or they are bigots, and xenophobes. I see no other possible category…

Jaxk's avatar

“I see no other possible category”
There are none so blind as those that will not see.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I see, and hear plenty. My opinions based on Trump’s supporters, are from listening to their own declarative statements.

“There are none so blind as those that will not see.”

Well. There are none so ignorant, as those who would pass off the words of a fortune cookie, for words of wisdom. ESPECIALLY, in defense of the sheep who listen to the empty can that is Trump rattle…

Get off of your high horse @Jaxk . Unless your ass has grown attached to it by now… A realistic possibility….

Jaxk's avatar

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Protests are lawful, and required, in such times.

Methinks, the problem is, you don’t think at all… But that’s never stopped you before, so….

Jaxk's avatar

Ignorant and incompetent is a horrible way to go through life.

flutherother's avatar

The American public must have been quackers to vote for him.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Ignorant & incompetent is a horrible way to govern.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Jaxk . I accept your self assessment. Buy you seem to be OK nonetheless…

I’m glad you separated ignorance, from incompetence. There’s definitely a difference.

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