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Is the debate among pro abortionists ("pro-choicers'') similar/same to the one between anti and pro abortionists?

Asked by flo (12183points) 2 weeks ago

Is the debate among pro abortionists, i.e the ones who draw a line at 8 weeks who are somewhat anti abortionists, similar or same to the one between anti- abortionists (pro-life) and the so called ‘pro choicers’?

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stanleybmanly's avatar

Name a pro abortionist.

cookieman's avatar

People who support a woman’s right to choose an abortion are not “pro abortion”. I imagine almost no one is.

We are “pro choice”, as in the ability, as supported by the law, to choose to have an abortion.

flo's avatar

@cookieman By the way to quote someone “Why does “pro abortionist” bother you?
How about the answer to the OP?

canidmajor's avatar

@flo, if your language/terminology is 8mprecise, it is nearly impossible to answer your Q.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Will you get it through your skull that none of us are pro-abortion.

We are pro-choice and pro-women and their ability to handle their own health needs.

cookieman's avatar

@flo: It does not bother me. It is an inaccurate phrase.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

No one is pro abortion so this question can not be answered.

cookieman's avatar

Similarly, no one is pro-suicide, but some of us believe in a deathly ill person’s right to die with dignity.

Is nuance difficult for folks who are pro life?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I think @elbanditoroso said it best none of us are pro abortion, we are pro choice, and leave it to the women carrying it.

stanleybmanly's avatar

What’s in a name? How about pro and anti choice, or pro and NO choice?

kritiper's avatar

In the dictionary, Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate, 11 ed., both “pro abortion” and “pro choice” have the same definition. I, myself, prefer “pro choice.”
Using “pro choice” would be, in my opinion, more politically correct, and less confrontational.

zenvelo's avatar

I am okay with one side being described as “pro-abortion” if those using that phrase may only call those against choice as “woman haters”.

LostInParadise's avatar

Speaking of pro-abortionists is as absurd as talking about anti-choicers.

Caravanfan's avatar

I’m not pro-abortion. I’m anti forced government mandated birth.

dabbler's avatar

No. There isn’t any debate among pro-abortionists because there aren’t any people like that.
And the debate between government-forced-birth advocates and pro-choice people is not about how many weeks a zygote has been developing, so “No” there, too.
The forced-birthers are the only ones talking about weeks because they are using that to chip away at women’s rights to chose what happens in their bodies.

Kropotkin's avatar

I don’t know if it’s the same debate, but I’d just like to counter people’s objections, because I am a pro-abortionist, and even think infanticide should be legal.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@flo Yes. If we pro life groups can protect the fetus from at least feeling pain, its a victory.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Does the woman count at all in all this, or does she give up all rights and freedom once impregnated?

stanleybmanly's avatar

Great question squeek! And it is the one for which there is no getting around. FORCED maternity is every bit as egregious as the loss of a fetus. Moreover, the fact that a forced pregnancy as a matter of law is only enforceable on those restricted by means and questions of geography is beyond egregious and clearly violates the civil rights of the women trapped.

canidmajor's avatar

And forced pregnancy is only the first step. Because of so many rights being given to the insensate blob of protoplasm, every thing the human incubator does is subject to being legislated, from what she eats to every activity she engages in (riding in a car is statistically too dangerous!)
Welcome to Gideon, folks.

Caravanfan's avatar

@KNOWITALL Fetuses don’t feel pain up until 27 weeks. The science is clear on this point and not in dispute among people who understand it.

dabbler's avatar

@Kropotkin just asking for clairification,
” I am a pro-abortionist, and even think infanticide should be legal.”
Do you want there to be more abortions (pro-abortion) or are you advocating that these should both be legal? (pro-rights)

Kropotkin's avatar

@dabbler Both legal. I’ve just no qualms about using the ‘pro-abortionist’ label.

There’s 7.5 billion of us terrorised by the realisation our mortality, fouling up the planet, and causing misery for each other in various ways. I’m unpersuaded that human life has any particular “intrinsic value” or is deserving of preservation for the sake of it—it’s not like we’re an endangered species (yet).

Humans in a prenatal state are worth even less. A foetus has no social status, no memories, no life experiences, no associations, is likely non-sentient. A pet cat is worth more than someone’s “unborn child”. A cow is worth more. A pig is worth more.

And yet “pro-lifers” are rarely ever vegans, and many are supporters of capital punishment. I can reasonably infer that they do not seriously believe in a “sanctity of life”, or that humans have some innate and universal right to life, because “pro-lifers” do place life on a hierarchy, within our species, and between it. And for some “pro-lifers”, a foetus, or even a blastocyst is more worthy of preservation than an adult human.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Kropotkin go right ahead and call me a pro-abortionist, even though I have refuted that over and over.

That reflects far worse on you and your inability to understand a nuance, than it does on me.

Have at it.

flo's avatar

Don’t say “used”, it’s “pre-owned”, etc.

Kropotkin's avatar

@elbanditoroso I’m calling myself a pro-abortionist. As highly as you think of yourself, you never actually entered my thoughts.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

WTH does “do you want more abortions” even mean? Have you gone mad?

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