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Have your fast food dining habits changed, in view of Chick Fil A's opposition to gay marriage?

Asked by elbanditoroso (15096 points ) July 26th, 2012

I used to go to Chick Fil A for lunch once a week when I was out running errands. Since their (rather dumb) announcement last week, I decide that they would no longer get my business. Why would I want to support a company whose social views are simply counter to my own?

I see no problem with their boss (Mr. Cathy) having his own views on a personal level – they want to close on Sunday, no problem.

But when they make these personal values into a corporate stance, it tells me that they have no issues with alienating people who don’t share their views. So they will get no more of my business.

Call it a boycott. If they feel my friends are not entitled to the same civil liberties than I have, then why would I support them?

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cookieman's avatar

I agree with you but no, my fast-food eating habits will not change — as I’ve only eaten at a Chick Fill A once… and didn’t like it.

Buttonstc's avatar

There are none in my neck of the woods, so nothing to change.

But I don’t get fast foods a lot, especially chicken, because they dump so much salt into and onto it I might as well be dining at a salt lick.

I know white meat chicken is bland, but do you have to go that far overboard with the salt. Sheesh. Totally ruins the taste. Blech.

wundayatta's avatar

I’ve never eaten there, and while I had no plans to ever try it; now I have one more reason to never set foot inside such an establishment.

bookish1's avatar

I haven’t been in one for years, and I only used to ever get their waffle fries, so they’re not losing any of my business, but I certainly wouldn’t go back.

Michael_Huntington's avatar

It has changed a long time ago. I don’t eat in any fast food place because I don’t want to poison my body.

jca's avatar

I’ve never been to one so it will not change my fast food habits at all.

marinelife's avatar

I never ate at Chik Fil A before, and I won’t afterwards.

gailcalled's avatar

IN my little town there is Ralph’s Pretty Good Café, The Bagel Café and Our Daily Bread, for a total of 18 tables. I haven’t been in any fast food place for years.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

We don’t have them here in Canada. If we did, I’d avoid them like the plague.

Nullo's avatar

There’s only one Chick-fil-a in the area, and I don’t eat fast food very often. If there were more, I’d frequent them more, though.

Qingu's avatar

Homosexuality issue aside, the only reason people think Chick fil-a tastes good is because their damn chicken is dripping with MSG.

tinyfaery's avatar

This news is not new. As a matter of fact in think it’s decades old. Chik-Fil-A is gross. I can only think of one in the greater L.A. area.

Aethelflaed's avatar

No. I’ve been boycotting them for years. It’s not just the homophobia, it’s how you have to agree to work an entry-level minimum wage food service job because you love Christ, not because you’re hoping to someday get a promotion.

Symbeline's avatar

Never heard of that place. But I’d skip it then, if we had some around here. There’s plenty of fast food places I could opt for, in which I could contract death cancer without having to support anti gay chicken. Fuck those fuckers.

Ron_C's avatar

I never eat there anyway, Now I have a reason not to.

DominicX's avatar

I’ve actually never seen a Chick-fil-A around here, but I will not be patronizing them. A lot of people seem to think Chick-fil-A is just opposed to gay marriage. A lot of people are opposed to gay marriage and obviously, I support their right to be opposed to it and voice their opinion, just like Oreos’ support for gay marriage.

But—Chick-fil-A donates to groups that want more than just to prevent gay marriage. Some groups, like Focus on the Family, support labeling homosexuality a mental illness and support ex-gay movements and “rehab” for homosexuals. A lot of people don’t know that and I wonder if even Chick-fil-A doesn’t know that. But I will absolutely not give one cent to a group that, in essence, wants me to be a lesser human being for being gay. Fuck anti-gay groups and fuck Chick-fil-A.

Symbeline's avatar

@DominicX I’ve heard about ’‘rehab’’, or straight camps that exist where gay people are supposed to turn straight. That’s completely ridiculous, and even frightening to know that it even exists. Seriously, straight camp?? O_o

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Symbeline You should watch But I’m A Cheerleader.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Symbeline – Michelle Bachmann’s husband Marcus is big in the “straight rehab” business.

Symbeline's avatar

@Aethelflaed What’s it about? Lookin it up now.

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Symbeline It’s about a cheerleader who has no idea she’s gay, thinks she’s straight, but her family knows better and so they ship her off to straight rehab, where she meets another girl and they have feelings (both heart and vagina) for each other and she comes to accept her sexual orientation. It’s a great dark comedy.

codette's avatar

I hate the flavor of their cooking oil. I always whine when the rest of the group wants to subsist off their food and I’m happy when we realize it’s Sunday and they’re closed. :)
I respect the Cathy family’s personal free speech rights (because I have to, to avoid being a hypocrite) but I do not respect their corporate support for destructive organizations that only serve to confuse, segregate and harm people they have identified as “other.” Straight camps, my ass.
I happen to be very familiar with the Georgia college where the Cathys have WinShape, which is its own evangelical Christian enrollment program within the institution. While I knew plenty of wonderful WinShapers, I do know that the program would actually expel you for being gay, and I know classmates who suffered a lot of emotional and social turmoil as a direct result of the life lessons that program fosters.
My point being, even if Chic-Fil-A’s cooking oil didn’t taste funky I would still try to boycott them because of their corporate practices.

bkcunningham's avatar

I love Chick-fil-A. Our Chick-fil-A here is spotless. The service is superb and the food is always fresh and tasty.

tinyfaery's avatar

Mmm…as if I needed another reason to eat Oreos.

ccrow's avatar

There’s no Chick Fil A near me, so, no. I rarely eat fast food anyway.

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

No, not really. I have never really like Chick-fil-A anyway, so it’s not a big thing. I will make it a point now to actively avoid them, though.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

This thrills me to no end. Thank-you mayor of Boston.

Ponderer983's avatar

Nope, I rarely eat any fast food.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

The company I worked for had an Employee Recognition dept. About once a quarter, they would arrange to purchase about 1000 Chik-Fil-A breakfast sandwiches, and I’d help wheel the carts around offering them to the team members on duty that morning. Had the dept. director known this was the stance of Mr. Cathy back then, I feel confident that she would have chosen another vendor. If I had known back then, I would have educated her on the fact and even taken it to the next level if need be.

As much as I like Chik-Fil-A, and despite having not been in one for several years, they will no longer see my face at their counter because of this announcement.

cookieman's avatar

@Mama_Cakes: That’s our Mumbles Menino. I’m often proud to be a Bostonian, but that’s just awesome.

tom_g's avatar

Nobody posted The Onion yet. Not their best, but I suppose it’s relevant.

lynfromnm's avatar

I don’t patronize any company that practices institutional marginalization.

bkcunningham's avatar

Why didn’t you know back then, @Pied_Pfeffer? Because people hadn’t gone after him to disclose to the public his private views. He was put on the spot and put on the spot until he told them what they wanted to hear. Get over it. He doesn’t believe it is alright for a man to lay with another man or a woman to lay with another woman. They asked. He told. He has every right to believe differently than you. Don’t go there if you don’t want to go there. That is your right and I’d never condemn you for it either. More power to you. Did you just realize they were Christians? They have never opened on Sunday for the duration of the time they’ve been in business. Do you know how long that has been?

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@bkcunningham Yes, I knew that Mr. Candy is a Christian and that is why he chooses to not have his chain open on Sundays. I also know many Christians that accept homosexuality, welcome them into their congregation, and will even perform same sex marriages, should it be legal in their state. So yes, this is new news to me.

SavoirFaire's avatar

I discovered the company’s bigoted stance about five years ago, and it determined me to never patronize any Chick-fil-A restaurant ever. I’m actually a little surprised that this is such a revelation to people, though I suppose most don’t make a habit of checking into a company’s practices before patronizing them.

codette's avatar

@bkcunningham It’s not just about the Cathy family’s personal views, or everyone’s rights to free speech, or religious freedom. It’s about the organizations that CFA gives money to.

People are boycotting not just because of a clash of opinions but because some of the money they spend might literally go to fund a program that commits actions they do not want to support. If I don’t want my money funding a program I am morally against (ex: “straight camps”), I am not going to hand it to the people who will turn around and hand it to that program.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@bkcunningham I’ve been thinking long and hard about what you said in your last post. Was I too quick to judge? This is probably true. It was a knee-jerk reaction to a subject that painfully hits a nerve every time I run across it. The US has a pledge to equal rights, and when people oppose same-sex marriages becoming legal based upon Christian beliefs, then I will take a stand.

And yes, Mr. Cathy and his family have the right to believe whatever they want to. I do not pass judgement for his beliefs. What bothers me is when it crosses the line from personal into the business. From what I’ve read, it appears to be that way.

What Chick-fil-A President Dan Cathy said to Biblical Reporter, published July 2, when asked about the company’s support for traditional marriage and opposition to gay marriage.
“Well, guilty as charged. We are very much supportive of the family – the biblical definition of the family unit. We are a family-owned business, a family-led business, and we are married to our first wives. We give God thanks for that. We operate as a family business… our restaurants are typically led by families – some are single. We want to do anything we possibly can to strengthen families. We are very much committed to that… We intend to stay the course. We know that it might not be popular with everyone, but thank the Lord, we live in a country where we can share our values and operate on biblical principles.” Source

It would be interesting to find out what is in the contracts for their franchises. Are they required to support the charity chosen by Mr. Cathy? Do the employees know that the leader of this company feels this way? It would be fascinating to hear from people who work at a Chick-Fil-A and get their perspective.

bkcunningham's avatar

I found a couple of stories about franchise owners speaking out, @Pied_Pfeffer. I don’t understand what you mean by it bothered you when it crossed the line from personal to his business. But hey, to each his own. I would be really disappoint to see private businesses hurt because someone expressed their personal beliefs. That, to me at least, is very scary.

http://www.wmctv.com/story/19125456/local-chick-fil-a-owner-speaks-out-about-anti-gay-controversy

http://www.decaturmetro.com/2012/07/26/a-statement-from-the-decatur-chick-fil-a-owneroperators/

SavoirFaire's avatar

@bkcunningham You would be disappointed to see private businesses hurt because someone expressed their personal beliefs? That’s how the market works: customers get to choose which businesses to patronize for whatever reasons they want. Besides, it’s not just an expression of personal beliefs—Chick-fil-A uses the money they’ve received from customers to suppress the civil rights of millions of Americans. What you are suggesting is that free speech means freedom from all economic consequences from speech, and that is absurd. I get to decide how I use my money. If that scares you, find some nice Communist dictatorship and settle down there.

bkcunningham's avatar

You are correct, @SavoirFaire. I agree that it is how the market works. You shop where you want and I shop where I want. Even if our decisions are based on researching the businesses founders and their personal beliefs. I think we both have the right to spend our time and money patronizing businesses of our choosing.

I get that. But the situation in San Francisco, Boston and Chicago over this goes beyond that. Don’t you agree? Mayors or other elected officials are banning businesses based on the beliefs of the person who started a franchise even though the franchise owners’ haven’t voiced an opinion in any way shape or form. Even if they did voice an opinion, should their personal opinions dictate where they are allowed to do business? Should applications for a business in a city be allowed to ask religious affiliation? I don’t think so.

tom_g's avatar

@bkcunningham: “But the situation in San Francisco, Boston and Chicago over this goes beyond that. Don’t you agree? Mayors or other elected officials are banning businesses based on the beliefs of the person who started a franchise even though the franchise owners’ haven’t voiced an opinion in any way shape or form.”

Whoa….hold on there. Could you provide some evidence to support your claim that Menino (our good old mayor here in Boston) is “banning business”? I could be wrong, but didn’t he just express his opposition in a letter to Cathy?

Qingu's avatar

@bkcunningham, does Chick Fil-A hire openly gay employees? If not, then I think it’s certainly acceptable for municipalities who care about discrimination to ban them.

bkcunningham's avatar

Haven’t you heard about this @tom_g? This is crazy.

bkcunningham's avatar

I don’t think that question is allowed on applications anywhere in America, @Qingu.

tom_g's avatar

@bkcunningham – You’re referring to his letter, right? I thought you said that mayors (“Boston”) were “banning business”? What? I don’t get the connection here. Make it all clear for me because I don’t see it in your links either.

bkcunningham's avatar

From the link, “Mayor Thomas M. Menino will not back down from his stance against Chick-fil-A for its opposition to gay marriage, but he acknowledged Thursday that he cannot do anything to prevent the restaurant chain from setting up shop in ­Boston.

“ ‘Originally, I said I would do every­thing I can to stop them.’ Menino said in an interview at City Hall. ‘And that was mostly using the bully pulpit of being mayor of the city and getting public support. But I didn’t say I would not allow them to go for permits or anything like that. I just said we would do everything we can, bully pulpit-wise.’ ”

You don’t find that disturbing? I sure do.

tom_g's avatar

@bkcunningham – You are joking again, right? I know a few software developers who would “do anything to stop them” to. He is a mayor, but he’s also a citizen. If he was “banning business” in some kind of mayoral capacity, then I would see the connection to what you’re saying. But here is a man who sees horseshit, doesn’t want it here, and would love to stop it.

Do I find it disturbing? No. Would I want to stop them from setting up shop? Not really? If the KKK wants to open a beauty salon next to a “Nazi Mattress Discounters”, I don’t give a shit. It won’t fly around here, and they’ll probably just go out of business. Same with this stupid fast food restaurant. And like @Qingu said, they’ll need to make sure that they are being very careful with hiring practices, etc.

I don’t get why they want to come to this sinful corner of the earth anyway. We’re doing nothing gay marrying and giving god the finger. I love that people are disgusted with them, but they’re welcome to open up their shitty restaurant if they want.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Then this happens.

Aethelflaed's avatar

Omg, I can’t help but giggle. I’m probably a horrible person.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@bkcunningham No, I do not agree that the situation San Francisco, Boston and Chicago goes beyond basic freedom of speech and market rights. Thomas Menino, mayor of Boston, exercised his First Amendment rights in voicing his opposition to Chick-fil-A and stated that he would continue to do so in order to make Boston an inhabitable place for the restaurant. He is not threatening to do anything illegal. He is promising to use his free speech rights to fight bigotry. That seems quite commendable to me.

As for franchise owners, they have expressed their opinions. They have stated via their actions that they either agree with Chick-fil-A’s stance or do not disagree with it strongly enough to find some other entrepreneurial pursuit. I find both stances abominable, so I have no pity for them. No one will be disallowing them to (attempt to) do business in Boston, nor is anyone saying that businesses should have to pass some sort of religious test to have their applications approved. That is an exaggeration.

Pied_Pfeffer's avatar

@bkcunningham Thank you for asking for clarification. Mr. Cathy has now made it publicly clear where his beliefs are. It doesn’t sound like people went after him and put him on the spot, as you described earlier. He volunteered the information in the initial interview with Ken Coleman who was not attempting to draw out this information.

If it is Mr. Cathy’s personal money that funds groups that do not support equal rights, so be it. When it becomes affiliated with the company’s name, then it becomes an issue with me. I would not want to work for that company, nor do I want to support it.

Brian1946's avatar

@SavoirFaire

Thomas Menino, mayor of Boston, exercised his First Amendment rights in voicing his opposition to Chick-fil-A and stated that he would continue to do so in order to make Boston an inhabitable place for the restaurant.

How would that make Boston an inhabitable place for Chick-fil-A, or did you mean a word such as inhospitable?

I also commend Menino for using his First Amendment rights to make Boston an unwelcome place for bigotry

bkcunningham's avatar

I guess it is something we have to agree to disagree about then, @tom_g. I think it is very disturbing that people don’t see that exercising your rights goes both ways. Peace.

bkcunningham's avatar

@Pied_Pfeffer, and you shouldn’t support them or work for them. Good for you. That is your right. As for people coming after Cathy, come on now. Even on Fluther, how many questions have there been based on stories about Chick-Fil-a’s founder being Christian? Many. There are questions where most everyone laments the same sentiments on the Boy Scouts and even one about a craft store, what is the name, that is Christian-based. I can’t remember. You can Google Chick-Fil-a and find stories where they are made to be the bad guys because of their beliefs.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Brian1946 Yup, just a typo. Oops!

@bkcunningham No one is saying that Cathy cannot or should not exercise his rights. He simply has to accept that their are always consequences for doing so. It is irrational for him to expect no backlash for revealing himself to be a fundamentally deplorable human being.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

All that I want is to be able to move to the U.S., marry my g/f and lead a happy life. I’m not hurting anyone. These people make it difficult, you know?

Aethelflaed's avatar

@Mama_Cakes It’s honestly so strange to hear a queer Canuck say they want to move to the US and get married. It’s normally the other way around…

cookieman's avatar

@Mama_Cakes: Come live in Massachusetts with me. We like Canadians.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

@cprevite Thanks, but, @Aethelflaed we want to be in Michigan :).

bkcunningham's avatar

@SavoirFaire, franchise owners of Chic-Fila’s across the US accepted the consequences yesterday of Cathy expressing his personal views. I’ve read and heard the businesses broke record sales numbers yesterday with most running our of food while people waited in long lines to support the business. You are right, sometimes people have to accept that there are consequences. ~

tom_g's avatar

@bkcunningham“I’ve read and heard the businesses broke record sales numbers yesterday with most running our of food while people waited in long lines to support the business.”

And this doesn’t sadden you in any way? What kind of people are motivated to go eat unhealthy fast food just so they could express their opposition to same-sex marriage?

Mama_Cakes's avatar

I just want to drop this here:

I posted this as my status earlier today. I wanted to share it with you. You are an inspiration to me and are one of the reasons I was brave enough to finally take a stand.

“I am so very tired. I don’t understand why I have to argue about “gay marriage”. I don’t understand why “THE BIBLE” controls my legal rights. If “THE BIBLE” is the sole source of your argument as to why I can’t get married, then “marriage” is a religious event and has NO LEGAL BEARING.

I want to marry the love of my life. I am in a committed relationship that has lasted for over 13 years now. We would be “married” already if it wasn’t for my contempt of how I’m treated by the world. I am not asking any church, any religion or any person to tell THEIR God that I am married. I am asking for a recognition by my friends, my lover, my self and my God of our union.

I also want the LEGAL RIGHT that “marriage” is giving you.

I want our credit score to be OUR credit score.
I want my taxes to have the same deduction you get for your RELIGIOUS ceremony.
I want my protection of estate to be the same for my lover as you get for your RELIGIOUS ceremony.
I want to be able to raise children in a loving home.
I want my lover to be able to visit my deathbed.
I want my lover to be able to pull the plug.
I want my lover to be able to have me cremated, as those are my wishs.
I want to be able to call “my lover” my husband.

God doesn’t give you these rights. The law does.

I don’t want YOUR God to marry us. I want the God that I love, the God that loves me, to marry us. We will have our own religious ceremony to celebrate our marriage. If you are offended or think it is “wrong”, stay out of my church! I’ll gladly stay out of yours. I’ve had enough hate from humans. I don’t need it from YOUR God.

Geoffrey Todd Walker – Human Being”

SavoirFaire's avatar

@bkcunningham I’m not sure I understand the purpose of your response or your sarcasm. Did I ever suggest that people only have to accept the negative consequences of their speech? No, I did not. People have known about Chick-fil-A’s bigoted practices for years, and there has been a minor boycott going on for quite some time. It would not surprise me if Cathy went public with the specific intention of getting someone like Huckabee to do exactly what he did.

The problem is that Cathy and others seem to want all of the positive consequences without accepting any of the negative ones. That is simply irrational. And while I agree with @tom_g that it is simply pathetic that anyone would have gone to Chick-fil-A for the purpose of putting their bigotry on display, it was only a single day of sales. If the boycott costs them more than yesterday made them, then Huckabee’s rally will be quite beside the point.

DominicX's avatar

America: Where a religious pilgrimage begins in a car and ends at a fast food restaurant.

I am so sick of hearing about this damn chicken place, I swear…it’s become the proxy for the anti-gay anti-liberal position in the cultural war in America. Now all we need is a fast food place that donates to GLAAD and Planned Parenthood to fight the other side of the “war” :)

cookieman's avatar

@DominicX: I vote for Carl’s Jr. for that position.
They put sprouts on their chicken sandwich after all.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@tom_g I know you weren’t happy with the original coverage done by the Onion, so here is a newer take on it.

Brian1946's avatar

@cprevite

I vote for Carl’s Jr. for that position.

Are you sure about that?

Perhaps CJ has changed since Karcher passed on to his heterosexual “heaven” down below.

Ponderer983's avatar

TO ALL AN FYI: EquallyWed.com is proposing to have national Starbucks Appreciation Day on August 7th to support LGBTQ community. Go to your local Starbucks and show support for a company that has openly expressed it’s support of equality.

SavoirFaire's avatar

How about an Oreo Cookie Apprecation Day? It’s not that my wife I need an excuse to sit at home and eat an entire package of Oreo cookies, mind you, but it would be nice to have one anyway…

tom_g's avatar

This whole Chik-fil-whatever-the-f*ck “controversy” is wearing on me. All of these shitbags that are lining up to show how much the thought of equality scares them should just spend a f*cking weekend here in good old Massachusetts, where it’s been legal since 2004. They’ll find that things are quite nice (nobody has married their toaster oven, you won’t find people raping squirrels on the side of the road, happy opposite-sex marriages are still intact, etc). They might find that they occasionally meet married couples that don’t look like their parents. If they get scared – or aroused – they can always visit a fast food restaurant for a dose of shitty food.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

@tom_g or they could come to Canada!

Ponderer983's avatar

@tom_g Watch the squirrel rape jokes man!

tom_g's avatar

@Ponderer983 – :) Sorry. And sorry all for the rant. I just had a “moment” of rage. Looking at my 3 kids and wondering if any of them end up in a relationship with someone of the same sex, will they have to deal with this shit? Seriously, I know the whole “It’s 2012, people!” thing is pretty tired. But how in the f*ck is it possible to manufacture a debate on this issue? I’m thinking we should only allow right-handed people to marry. Explain to me how that’s any sillier. Ok…I’ll breathe and step away from the computer.

cookieman's avatar

@Brian1946: Well perhaps not then.
::quietly leaves room whistling::

Brian1946's avatar

@cprevite

Please don’t go. We can go to Starbuck’s and have some Girl Scout cookies with our lattes. ;-)

WillWorkForChocolate's avatar

Did I hear Starbucks and Oreos????? COUNT ME IN!

augustlan's avatar

This is one of the best pieces of writing I’ve seen on this topic. I don’t know how anyone could read that and still support Chik-Fil-A.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@augustlan It’s a great piece, isn’t it? I’ve been posting it all around Facebook every time someone says anything along the lines of “why should I care about Chick-fil-A?”

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Some people don’t get it. It affects people’s (my) lives.

We are HUMAN BEINGS. How would you like it if some of your rights were taken away?

All that I want to do is marry my partner and have all of the wonderful benefits that go along with marriage. Stay out of my life.

Remember, I have to live it. Day in, day out. I’m gay. It is who I am. It’s not going away. I just want to enjoy my life, you know?

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Mama_Cakes I don’t know. That last answer of yours seems to presuppose that it’s some sort of self-evident truth that everyone is created equal and that we are all endowed with certain unalienable rights like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. That doesn’t sound much like an American ideal to me. Maybe you should just stay in Canada. ~

Brian1946's avatar

@augustlan @SavoirFaire

That is an excellent piece.

I noticed there were some homophobic/pro Chick-Fellatio comments in reply. Perhaps someone here would like to rebut some of them here or on the Owldolatrous page.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

My Mom, when I finally came out (at 26) didn’t accept my lifestyle. In fact, she said that being gay was like having a “deformity” and sadly, because of that, I didn’t talk to my family for many years.

Eight months before my Mom died of cancer (I was 35), we made up. A month before she died, one of the last things that she said to me was “I want you to be happy. Whatever you do (in life). I want you to be happy”.

She got it.

Brian1946's avatar

@tom_g

“While hundreds of people lined up at his restaurant to support his boss’ views on gay marriage Wednesday, Chick-fil-A franchise owner Anthony Piccola was expressing a different opinion.”

It’s great that Mr. Piccola is going to use at least some of that homophobic money to sponsor the Pride Festival, and hopefully other gay-rights causes.

Ron_C's avatar

I don’t know about the rest of you but I am tired of listening to and bitching about a chicken sandwich salesman has to say about anything.

One thing is for sure, I am off of chicken sandwiches, no matter who makes them!

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Ron_C This isn’t about what a chicken sandwich salesman has to say. It’s about what he does with millions of dollars given to him by customers. I’m sick and tired of the debate about health care. Should I just give up and say “I’ve already got health insurance, so screw the rest of you! I’m bored of this!” or should I keep advocating for those in need?

Ron_C's avatar

@SavoirFaire “should I keep advocating for those in need?” Yeah, you’re right and we need to counter these narrow-minded attitudes. The trouble is that there is still a little of the Bill of Rights left. One of them is free speech, no matter how stupid. The only things you can’t do are things like yelling “fire” in a theater. Theoretically you aren’t supposed to advocate for the violent overthrow of the government but it seems that you can even say those things if you are in the right Tea Party.

SavoirFaire's avatar

@Ron_C As has been covered several times in this thread already, though, there is absolutely no threat to free speech here. No one is saying Cathy should be locked up, no one is saying that Chick-fil-A should be shut down by the government. People are using their own free speech rights and their economic power—which I guess are one and the same now, at least according to the US Supreme Court—to remove their support from Chick-fil-A and transfer it elsewhere. Like all dissent, it is a quintessential example of why freedom of speech matters in the first place.

Mama_Cakes's avatar

Something that I found:

To those people that find it so extremely offensive that you are being called a bigot because you are expounding your Christian faith. You have failed to understand something quite critical.

You are not being called a bigot because of your faith. You are being called a bigot because of your own personal interpretation of that faith.
Many Christians don’t interpret the bible to mean that God condemns homosexuality. You have CHOSEN to interpret it that way. You have CHOSEN to select ONE single passage in Leviticus and take a stand on it. You have CHOSEN to ignore the rest of Leviticus. I don’t see you trying to keep people that are divorced from marrying again. I don’t see you lining up to support companies that support stoning women that get married after losing their virginity. Yet, you have chosen to interpret your faith against homosexuals. This makes you a bigot.

Many Christians aren’t bigots. They interpret their faith an entirely different way. Many straight Christians don’t condemn homosexuality. Many straight Christians follow the teachings of Jesus who never mentioned homosexuality at all. They recognize Leviticus for what it is: old Jewish law that bans many things that are not relevant to a modern world. They don’t pick and choose which passages mean something to them and which ones don’t in the Old Testament. They don’t harp on passages of the Old Testament that suit them and ignore the ones that inconvenience them.

You have chosen to interpret your faith in a way that marginalizes and discriminates against a group of people while ignoring others mentioned in the same text. You may say, “well, I don’t agree with divorce either”..which is fine..but..you aren’t voting to prohibit divorced people from marrying again or supporting groups that are advocating such causes.

Because you have chosen to interpret your faith this way while MILLIONS over other Christians interpret it an entirely different way makes you a bigot by definition.
In addition, you can CHOOSE to interpret history any way you want, but the fact remains that this is a SECULAR and CIVIL society, not a religious one. Everyone in the U.S. is offered the chance to practice their own religion, but when you interpret that to mean that your faith compels you to influence civil affairs and attempt to hurt other people and make them unhappy…sadly, you are a bigot.

I am fortunate to know many Christians that SEPARATE CHURCH FROM HATE. Try it.

Humbly submitted by Will Kolb…a gay Methodist.

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