Infinite Regression or Levitating Super Turtle?
Ok, so a guy whose name I forget was giving a lecture about the earth and such, and a woman stands up and says “I know that the earth is flat and is supported by four elephants standing on the back of a turtle.” So the guy asks “But what is the turtle standing on?” And the woman replies, “Ah, you can’t trick me, it’s turtles all the way down!”
The Design argument says that things in the world are so complex that they must have been created by a Designer. But the response to this is well to create something complex the designer himself must be complex, therefore by your argument the designer must have had a designer, and so on and so forth- an infinite regression of designers. The response to this is then well no you stop at God, he is the ultimate designer without having been designed. So then the response is why stop at God? Why can’t we just stop at the universe?
The first cause argument says that everything is caused by something that came before it. My parents caused me, their parents caused them, and so on and so forth all the way back to god. But what caused God? Is he the uncaused cause?
Atheists say that the universe happened by chance, that matter happened to spring into being. Scientists say “before” the big bang there were only the Laws of physics. But then who put those laws there? Scientists say we must accept them as “brute fact”, but isn’t that contradicting all other Science? That we can’t just accept things as “brute fact”? If this is so then why can’t we just accept God as “brute fact”?
Both Atheism and Theism are positions of Faith. Neither can be proven. The Levitating Super Turtle is both God and the Brute Facts. So the question boils down to “Which assumption makes the most sense of the world and one’s place in it? Which is a “better” response to the world? Flutherites, what do you think?
Disclaimer: I wrote this late at night on a break from studying for a differential calculus test, it’s rushed and taken from scraps of my notes from school and episodes of Compass we watched. Feel free to pick and tear at anything I’ve said, I’m just looking for an open discussion :)
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