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LostInParadise's avatar

Do we need a term to describe someone who regularly says things that are untrue?

Asked by LostInParadise (31920points) December 6th, 2019

Liar is too strong a term. To be a liar, you need to know that in fact what you are saying is untrue. It could be a matter of ignorance. In Trump’s case, I believe it is a matter of complete indifference to the truth, which is not quite the same as lying. He just makes things up on the spot. It would then be incorrect for media to say Trump is lying, but it would be appropriate to point out that he frequently says things that are, at the very least, highly inaccurate.

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rebbel's avatar

Toddler?

janbb's avatar

I think “liar” is just fine.

zenvelo's avatar

I disagree with your line of thinking. Liar is accurate and cannot be denied or excused.

Vignette's avatar

A Shifster?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Shyster !
Shyster is a slang word for someone who acts in a disreputable, unethical, or unscrupulous way, especially in the practice of law, sometimes also politics or business.

It fits. @chyna

LostInParadise's avatar

For those who think liar is appropriate, how can you know for certain that the person is lying? Why get into that argument? I think it is pretty damning to say that someone in authority is saying things that are untrue. That allows a news reporter to make claims that are indisputable.

elbanditoroso's avatar

inveterate liar

kritiper's avatar

No. “Habitual liar” is good enough.

canidmajor's avatar

“Pathological liar” would be how I would designate someone like you describe.

ucme's avatar

Bullshit artist.

JLeslie's avatar

Pathological liar.

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stanleybmanly's avatar

Liar is correct. “Regular” in the description clinches it. The causes are irrelevant. Liar is concise and accurate.

Jaxk's avatar

I’d go with prevaricator. Since you’ve used Trump as the example, most of the people on this thread will gravitate to the most offensive term possible which negates your question. Most politicians would fit the Prevaricator definition when speaking or writing on any controversial issue.

Meaning of prevaricator “1. To speak or write evasively”

stanleybmanly's avatar

Who here will argue that Trump is unworthy of the most offensive term possible? The bandit above has the perfect modifier with “inveterate” liar, which simply means reliably habitual and unlikely to change. The description is actually exaggerated kindness in Trump’s csse.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There is nothing evasive about “I am a stable genius” or “Mexico will pay for it”, “best economy in history”, “lowest black unemployment ever” “right up there with Washington and Lincoln”......

JLeslie's avatar

Regarding Trump, I don’t think he’s a pathological liar. I think he defines lying differently than most people. Men who cheat, they often come from a culture like that. They make promises and say things to make people happy and they think it’s fine. They feel they are good people doing the right thing.

I’ll give you an example. A cheating husband who thinks it’s very normal to cheat. He lies to his wife, because he knows she will get upset. Even if he is sick of his wife and totally not interested, let’s say she is the mother of his children, and he continues to financially support her and be a couple for the children. Macho men like this usually live in countries where the wife can be left with nothing if divorced. Him staying, and supporting her, is living up to his commitment and responsibilities in his mind. Of course, in America the wife has some protections under the law financially, but anyway I’m just describing how these things can be framed in ones mind.

I know people who make promises they can’t keep, but when they say the promise it’s because they truly want to fulfill the promise, they themselves are in denial that it’s impossible.

Mostly, I think Trump purposefully lies, and he knows he’s doing it. I think he looks at it as using the system, or working the system. That it is how the game is played, and it is a justified means to an end in his mind

Maybe we could call him a compulsive liar? I still say he’s just gaming the system.

Jaxk's avatar

@stanleybmanly – I don’t see your point. “I am a stable genius” and “right up there with Washington and Lincoln”, are subjective rather than lies. You can argue but not prove one way or the other. “Mexico will pay for it” can happen a number of ways and while I agree it didn’t happen as a direct payment for the wall, Mexico has paid a good portion of it in tariffs. “best economy in history” is arguable and would require some definition to sort out. As for “lowest black unemployment ever”, according to the Washington Post, that’s true. You’d need a better argument to say “LIES”.

chyna's avatar

@JLeslie I don’t think trump is gaming the system. I think he’s an out and out liar and you giving him an out doesn’t make him any less a liar or piece of shit.

JLeslie's avatar

@chyna Don’t get me wrong, it still makes him a liar to me. I hate men like this. I could never be married to someone like this, I dated that type of person for years in my teens, and it’s horrible. I had never seen anything like it, my family is as honest as the day is long, I was so unprepared for it. My FIL is a little like this too, it’s awful. It doesn’t affect me very much, but it is completely destructive to relationships. Not a good trait in a president either.

I knew a pathological liar in high school. He was different than these men I describe. He lied about everything. Totally unimportant things. It was different somehow. Very self destructive. Different to me somehow, I can’t really describe the difference. He really needed psychiatric help. Still horrible either way.

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