Why is there much more hate towards Gays than Lesbians?

I personally think a lot of the hate towards gays is based on the idea that the sex is unnatural, or gross to some people. Whereas many “haters” may not find much of an issue with lesbian sex because, well, lots of them are men, and they like that kind of thing. It’s still stupid whichever way you look at it.

You may have just said that in the details, though. I didn’t read all of it.

cause they’re heathens and devil mongers.

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 Abominations, too.

I believe that many men see the concept of being a ‘bottom’ as demeaning and effeminate. Women are ‘taken sexually’ by the male in the heterosexual context; and a lot of men see the act of being penetrated as a loss of their masculine power.

Men will watch two girls kiss and make out, thinking they can always join in, because they have a penis and can dominate either girl sexually. Two men, not so much, and we can thank the Puritans for our lovely hateful attitudes towards those who deviate from the so-called norm of heterosexuality.

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 Do you mean only gay men or both women and men? The questions is asking why is there more hate towards gay men.

People fear differences in one another. That fear is expressed through hatred. It’s not just a gay/straight thing. Men are still often viewed as the power monger. Perhaps gay men are generally hated more in relation to their perceived ability to gain power. The lesbian is not perceived as being so readily able to defile someone through penetration.

no just gay men, lesbians rock…

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 very interesting response..

@ABoyNamedBoobs03 well, at least the lesbians that don’t hate men and would like to cut off your nuts and shove them down your throat.

Cause the male form is, quite simply, gross.
I’m glad that I only stare at a naked man once a day, and it’s when I’m half-asleep and don’t have my glasses on. I’m talking about heading to the shower in case anyone didn’t follow

@evelyns_pet_zebra oh no I just call them men too… I only classify a woman as something that wants to sleep with me and cook me food…

Well, first it has to be established that hating gay men and not lesbians is a form of hypocrisy; that is, if you’re against homosexuality, you’re against all forms of it, or you’re a hypocrite. I do think that a lot of the “gay men are worse than lesbians” has to do with the fact that the more vocal members of the anti-homsexuality crowd are men and men do sometimes find lesbians attractive. I mean, if they’re watching straight porn, there is a dick they are looking at there, whether they want to admit it or not. And as a question I posted showed, being against homosexuality is not always for religious reasons; sometimes it’s done just because people find it gross. In that case, they’re almost never referring to lesbian sex, but they’re referring to anal sex. Anal sex is more common with homosexual males. Anal sex is the main deterrent for most anti-homosexual people and thus, since it is associated with gay men, that will make them focus on gay men more. Gay men may also be easier to spot since many of them are effeminate and that is easier to see. It simply is. It’s the same reason why a girl wearing guy’s clothes isn’t a big deal, but a guy wearing girl’s clothes is extremely noticeable and it’s always a big deal. These are just my ideas. I’m gay, btw.

@Sarcasm

The male form is beautiful!

plus the vagina, that is, those come in handy

@Sarcasm you are entitled to your opinion, and perhaps it is just YOU that looks bad naked, but I’ve seen plenty of images of naked males that are quite arousing.

I believe that it’s a lot to do with sexism actually… Men are the superior so they have to conform to social norms. Whereas we give women more leeway as they’re.. Well… Women….

Also, just like you alluded to in your question, I think that it’s because men are more prone to be against things if they go directly against what a man is supposed to be.

I hope that this touch-and-go response gives what I’m trying to say because as of right now I’m not really in the mood to talk and talk and talk and talk.

@Sarcasm Yes of course but from a straight mans point of view. Of course it’s gross to you! But it may not be to the opposite gender.

@evelyns_pet_zebra
I’m blushing. Glad you got those pictures I sent you…

@Sarcasm Yes of course but from a straight mans point of view. Of course it’s gross to you! But it may not be to the opposite gender.

I’m with @Sarcasm, I find the male body pretty disgusting, but like @rawrgrr said (who beat me to it), that’s probably because I’m straight

@rawrgrr

I’m straight and think the male figure is gorgeous. No more or less than female though.

@DominicX Yes! That is exactly what I believe! Well put. For some reason it’s a much bigger deal for a men than a women.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies Yes some do but most only think the opposite gender is much nicer looking.

Just like not all women are beautiful in the raw, neither are all men. It is simply a matter of taste. I would assume that @DominicX is probably much cuter in the buff than perhaps @Sarcasm. =)

@rawrgrr

That’s understandable. You don’t have to compare yourself with the opposite gender and no matter how you feel about yourself, one can still fantasize about them easily enough.

I believe that there is more hate expressed towards gays than lesbians because, just like how @rawrgrr has said, that mens opinions are “more valuable” and because straight men do not (probably) enjoy the thought of gay or gay sex. Women usualy say nothing of it.

@RealEyesRealizeRealLies thanks for the pictures, and no, that skirt kilt doesn’t make your butt look big!

Could it also be tied to the fact that (straight) women are much more likely to openly admire another woman’s beauty than a (straight) man is to admit finding another man attractive? It’s just not the ‘manly’ thing to do, which is f’ing ridiculous.

@augustlan even straight women have a problem with a man thinking another man is attractive. I found this out one day when talking to a trusted co-worker, and had to do some serious prevaricating to cover my tracks, so to speak.

I think its just because heterosexual men in general, are aroused by the thought of two women, while disgusted by the thought of two men. I guess the whole lesbian thing is more attractive to the eye and therefore more easily accepted.

@evelyns_pet_zebra That’s even more ridiculous!

@evelyns_pet_zebra

Why thank you. :) But maybe we should find out. ;)

@augustlan that’s the Midwest for you. I wonder why I continue to stay in this ultra-conservative area, I must be crazy.

@DominicX sure, maybe we should, I can be objective when it comes to looking at pics of naked dudes. =)

Well, we all know that all women are really bisexual anyways ;~)

@DominicX Aren’t you underage?

@augustlan

lol…yeah. :) Come August 24th, not anymore. I expect “Happy Birthday” wishes.

@DominicX Happy Birthday early, and glad to know another August birthday baby is here on Fluther. Mine is 16 days earlier. No birthday wishes though, my ancient decrepidness isn’t anything to celebrate. =)

@evelyns_pet_zebra
“that’s the Midwest for you. I wonder why I continue to stay in this ultra-conservative area”

I still remember the sex art show on Wash Ave in St. Louis. The man was full on jacking off in a mock up living room set… The crowd applauded upon ejaculation…

Not at all as conservative as you may believe. There is an underground and the homosexual community is alive and well…

Someone once summed up all the arguments about sexism and gender roles in relation to homophobia like this: men fear gay men because it puts them in a position of possibly being raped, which is the most horrible thing a man could do to a woman, thus allowing men
to be able to put themselves in the inferior, feminine position. Just a thought.

@tinyfaery

There you have it…

@evelyns_pet_zebra

Thanks :) August rocks. My boyfriend’s birthday is 12 days before mine…haha. And you’re never too old. :P

Mine is August 18th!

I think some men are afraid of what they’ll find out about themselves if they allow themselves to even think about 2 men gettin’ it on. If they get turned on by two women, well, that’s as it should be, ain’t it?

I think you already answered it in your question. A lot of people may watch lesbian porn and not find it disgusting. Those same people would never even watch two men kissing. Whatever the reason for that (and the porn industry also has a lot to do with notions of “acceptable”), it is true that the average person (male or female) is probably more willing to accept lesbians, or at least ignore them easier.

I really doubt whether a more powerful role for women in society would help anything. It might even make things worse.

I think a lot of men are homophobic and fearful of their own sexuality therefore are vocally opposed to gays. Most women are more open minded about gays and lesbians. So you hear more gay hate espoused.

@Jayne – I do not have bi-sexual tendencies and I am a woman, so it couldn’t be “all” women.

This theory always made some sense. Unfortunately I couldn’t find the scene it’s from online.

I happen to think the human body can be beautiful regardless of gender. I suspect that there are quite a few straight males that would view this gentleman as being extremely handsome or beautiful or pick your adjective (CAUTION: @augustlan….it is you-know-who….please open with caution…it is quite late at night).

@whatthefluther…. I’m speechless…. Nice bod…. Real nice bod…. Although he could tone down a bit on the muscle. He looks like he’s in slight danger of going into the body-builder side.

I need to train up more… Dang..

@Saturated_Brain…If I had a big chunk of Italian white marble and the old hands were a bit more functional, I know what I would be chiseling (call me whattheflutherangelo)!.

Holy hell. You just had to pull the Riser card. :D

@augustlan….yes, but with fair warning…..enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But trust me, if there’s a good looking guy I wanna look like, it’s this one. Not too buff, yet a beautiful body and a beautiful face to go.

You people are killing me.

Better order up two chunks of marble! Thanks @Saturated_Brain…another marvel of perfection! Now cool it…we don’t want to be responsible for sweet @augustlan going into cardiac arrest!

@whatthefluther Oh trust me, there’s a lot more I can find where that came from. =P We’re gonna need a lot of marble the way this is going

But @augustlan is this getting too much for you? I can cool it down if you wish. =P

@Saturated_Brain heh. Just noticed that the dude’s tattoo is the same pic as AlenaD’s avatar.

@jmah Huh what? Oh, that thing? Sorry.. I’m just too busy staring into his face and at his body.. * swoons *
A perverted form of penis envy? Naawww… I think that this has gone way into the beyond and out the other end…
But that is intriguing… Hmm.. AlenaD… Where did you get the inspiration for your avatar? =D

I think @evelyns_pet_zebra answered it wonderfully and others as well…I just want to add that those lesbians that men want to join in with are just as unrealistic as fake-ass images out there for women…in that straight men, when they see most lesbians, are all about calling them fat and butch with legs unshaven, etc…in reality, lesbians would pay no attention to them and wouldn’t sit there with their partners and make out for the sake of some guy and that is definitely threatening

@Simone_De_Beauvoir the case you make about that is true, most of those females in porn are probably what they call ‘gay for pay’. Some people rely way too much on stereotypes to describe others. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard people describe gay men as ‘fudge packers’ when I know some that do NOT perform that particular activity, or lesbians as ‘butch truckers’ etc when they do not fit that stereotype. I’ve met all kinds of people, and some I’ve found attractive, some I haven’t.

A common misconception among homophobes is that gay men are attracted to ALL men, and that’s just not true. It’s the same as it is with straights. There are different things that different people find enticing.

Porn should never be taken as a representation of reality. That’s as ludicrous as taking sit-coms as the representation of the reality of the modern family.

I love lesbians! Actually, I love bisexuals. Personally, I think men are crude, hairy and rough creatures. Women are soft, curvy and smooth. Some of them smell and taste great too. Yummy!

Bisexuals = Two for the price of one admission to all amusement park attractions. Must be this tall to ride. Fun! Wheeeeee!

@rooeytoo, I know, just jokin’

Oh man, we gotta get Riser back in here.

Maybe because many men feel, as I do, that for women, lesbianism is the smart choice.
I mean, come on, men are just dicks!

I cant speak for past generations but it comes down to this, for me.
homophobia or being a homophobe.
Does not matter if you truly want to understand or not. If you do not just agree, right up front you are labeled a homophobe.
At that point people put their defense up. Don’t get me wrong, still plenty of hard core bigots in this world.
But does that make it ok for two wrongs being right?

Do the blacks have a right to condemn and retaliate towards the white man for what he has done and because of some that still do?
It is the ones that stand firm, take the time and patients to educated. Biased on reason and logic. That move things forward. Without
judging others, as much as you would like to, in order to make your point. Even then after you make your point. If still not understood,
be the better person. Without slandering the other. That goes for both sides.

I do not understand trigonometry. I am interested, but do I have to agree with what ever the mathematician says before I understand.
Ad if I do not, I am a trigonometriphobe?

@ChazMaz – Do you condemn trigonometry as “wrong”, “sinful”, “deviant” or anything of that nature? Gay is something you are, just like “black”. Yes, if someone says it’s “wrong” to be black, or that black people are as a group lesser than white people, yes, that makes them racist. Any time you pre-judge a group of people instead of looking at the individuals within that group, you are prejudiced, and you are wrong, period. Gay is not something you can “disagree” with any more than is “black”. People ARE gay. Attempts to paint that as a “choice” are ignorant and not grounded in reality, and are simply prejudice and fear masked as legitimate differences of opinion.

As a straight man, I had no say in the matter. As someone who prefers brunettes, I don’t recall being asked if that was what I was going to want to prefer, nor do I recall making a choice…it simply is. What my desires are, simply are part of me which came about naturally in puberty. That is how HUMAN sexual desire works. It’s not somehow “different” for gay people. Either a stimulus works for you or it doesn’t. And to demonize people, to deny them equal rights, or even to say you “don’t agree” with their being who they are is basically prejudice, in this case it is homophobia.

People may well object to the labels when applied to them, but if the shoe fits… Now it’s definitely possible to not understand homosexuality if you’re not a homosexual, and it’s just fine and dandy if you have no desire to understand it, no one should call you a homophobe for that. But if you do lack knowledge of the topic and make generalizations about a group of people, or if you seek to deny them the same rights you have on a basis which does not have firm grounding, then you ARE a homophobe.

I’ll say some people might jump the gun on throwing out labels, I agree with that…I mean, you really have to know where a person is coming from…I wouldn’t let one quip that sounds bad, without first giving the writer a chance to clarify or defend his statement, make me perceive that person as a homophobe. But once I flushed it out, if they used their ignorance, willful or not, as an excuse to discriminate, then yes, I’d whip that word out in a nanosecond.

In my opinion, I think it’s because people, in general, can find beauty in the female form. They consider women to be sensual and so, in their imaginings, it’s two lovely forms enjoying each other. For straight men, especially, since they really like women (and are fed a certain amount of B.S. in porn regarding what “lesbians” do together), they find the idea erotic.

I think many men take big issue with the whole penetration issue. I find that straight men have this whole “anal protector” thing going, where they’re completely appalled by the thought of anything going in the back door, despite the fact that it’s simply another erogenous zone, it’s not gay necessarily to enjoy being stimulated there, or whatever. They must protect that orifice at all costs. I think it’s fear, mainly, and also the fact that straight men generally cannot relate at all to the idea of two men together, whereas they seem to really like the idea of two women together.

“Do you condemn trigonometry as “wrong”, “sinful”, “deviant” or anything of that nature?”

Some people might think that it is a waist of time or is stupid. Having no interest of it. Or find no importance to it.

“wrong, “sinful” or “deviant” are issues you have to get over. Those ways of thinking cant be your problem.

As in the example of the Blacks, their equality is a proven fact. It is also quite apparent.
I am not condemning homosexuality. But, beside the live and let live attitude. There is still no fact as to why it occurs in nature.

I honestly do not care how someone wants to live their life. But I do want the facts.
Call me crazy for wanting to understand. Calling me names does not make the process any easier.

“What my desires are, simply are part of me which came about naturally in puberty.”

Actually your desires are designed to help keep the species going.

“or if you seek to deny them the same rights you have on a basis which does not have firm grounding”

That goes both ways.

Another possible answer to the question has to do with our society’s appreciation of all things “masculine” and degradation of things “feminine”. Our culture will tolerate a butch female (tomboy girl) while is disgusted by an effeminate male (sissy boy). These of course only apply for stereotypes.

i don’t know why because i am a person that’s very into making everyone around me feel like a friend and feel comfortable.

why can’t everyone just get along?

@ChazMaz – “There is still not fact as to why it occurs in nature.” Right there, it DOES occur in nature. It’s not a “choice” which is my point, and to hate or discriminate because you think it’s a choice…well, you can think the world is flat, it still ain’t so, that would make you a prejudiced person to act in that manner. Whether or not my desires serve a purpose which someone else’s don’t is irrelevant to whether or not they should be treated like all other humans. As for blacks’ equality being a proven fact…what proved it, and what does the case for homosexual equality lack that the case for black equality has? I agree, all PEOPLE deserve equal treatment, there is no basis for denying it on color, nor is there a basis to deny it on sexual orientation. Show me the basis. And as for “that goes both ways”, not sure what you’re getting at. I’ve never had my rights as a straight man be deemed lesser than those of a gay person, though I can’t say the reverse is true.

“Right there, it DOES occur in nature.”
Not a fact but an assumption. I agree something is going on here. But what for what purpose? That is the catch.

And, until we discovered that the world was round. A fact. Only then did we act upon that knowledge.

I totally agree, all people deserve equal treatment and respect. But that does not equate to equality.

How about the rights (don’t stress here) of people that feel they have the right to figure out what exactly homosexuality is before a decision is made as to how it is categorized.

It is a fact that homosexuality occurs in nature, just look around or read some books. It doesn’t matter how or why. What matters is people are being discriminated against, because of many things, including the erroneous belief that gay is a choice.

Fail! Not an assumption, but a fact. Humans are not the only animals who display homosexuality. HUMANS should ALL be afforded HUMAN rights, PERIOD.

@ChazMaz

You’re never going to get cold hard facts about what it is since it is something that is very personal and individual. You can’t get inside someone else’s brain and sexual desires. And even if you were homosexual, you wouldn’t be exactly the same as other homosexuals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

Now hush, you bunch of wankers.

I’m trying to get my head around @ChazMaz’ argument. Let me see if this covers it.

If we know what causes a different quality in a person, such as race, we should treat that person equally.

If we don’t know what causes a different quality in a person, such as sexual orientation, we should hesitate to treat that person equally.

OK, so if I do that, I should test this theory out and think about things that make people different.

Alright, we know what causes people to have brown hair, so they should be treated equally. OK, it holds up.

Alright, we don’t know what causes people to be cancer victims. Hmmm. So, because we don’t understand why some people have a disposition towards cancer, we should hesitate to treat them differently.

OK, so the FIRST sentence holds up to scrutiny, but the second one doesn’t. But there is only ONE difference between the first sentence and the second…the second sentence is just the negative version of the first sentence…the only thing that has changed is the subject of the sentence has changed from race to sexual orientation. Yet, if we replace the subject in the first sentence, it makes sense…if we replace it in the second sentence it does not. All other things being equal about these two sentences, the only material difference is the subject matter, ergo, something is wrong with the subject matter being part of that sentence. It seems to only apply to one particular subject. So, let’s break the sentence down a bit, shall we?

If we don’t know [LACK UNDERSTANDING ON OUR PART] what causes a different quality in a person, such as sexual orientation [WHAT WE LACK UNDERSTANDING OF], we should hesitate [FEAR TAKING ACTION] to treat that person equally [FAIRLY].

It seems this espouses an idea that we should fear things we don’t understand, and we should allow our fear to justify the denial of equal rights. Back when we didn’t understand genetics and what made one person white and one black, I’m sure they put the word “race” in that second sentence ALL THE TIME to justify it. Did that make it right? Are you REALLY saying that we can’t treat all people with equal human rights if we don’t understand what makes them different from us? Because if you are, let’s start taking rights away from Cancer patients right now.

But if you only want to apply the standard in that second sentence to things you both fail to understand and actively fear, then you are afraid of those things, in this case homosexuality, ergo, you are a homophobe, and should try to sell your hate somewhere else, because the people here ain’t buying.

@ChazMaz I find that whenever there is a question even slightly touching upon homosexuality, you just have to come along and start, yet again, your spiel about how it’s okay for you to be homophobic – look we get it, okay?

Uh… Google “gay animals” or something similar. It absolutely occurs in nature. (I am a wildlife biologist, take my word for it, or Google it and find I’m right)

I also believe that it has to do with a sad aversion to penetration, silly boys.

Howard Stern’s mentality doesn’t help matters either.

I have to take issue with Flutherites that said either the male form is gross (hardly) or made the assumption that the males in question were ‘hairy and rough’.

@evelyns_pet_zebra So according to your data there are only a couple of people who qualify as women in the entire world?

I think it has to do with irrationality. Men think they are so irresistable that anything-man, woman, or quadraped is waiting to jump their bones and they are afraid of men, They seem to think that lesbians are just waiting for them to come along and show them how a real man behaves-ergo lesbian porn allegedky is as popular as straight porn..

Un-airbrushed bodies of males or females are often rough and hairy and sometimes gross as well.

@rooeytoo There are always blow up dolls if reality sucks-soft, smooth and quite amenable

i hope i’m not generalizing too much when i say that a lot of the people who make such a big fuss over gay men, are straight (or at least, supposedly straight) men, who can excuse lesbians from the highway to hell with “they’re hot, man”.

@galileogirl – cute answer but I’m just sayin adult humanity in reality sans waxing and airbrushing ain’t all that smooth and soft! I always figured it played a part in the predilection towards pedophilia.

@rooeytoo How does pedphilia relate to homophobia? Or do you have the erroneous opinion that gay men are child molesters when most molestation victims are females by male predators?

I knew someone would make that great leap because we are so far off the topic. Nope not at all, I am saying that smooth and soft is preferable to (in the opinion of some) rough and hairy. Sort of in response to Noel’s comment way up above. I think that is why a lot of men like children and young females because of the smooth and soft. Just my own little assumption.

You can save your righteous indignation I do not harbor that particular erroneous opinion.

@galileogirl how in the Hell do you take anything I said to mean there are only a few women in the world? Maybe you need to go back and re-read what I wrote. I expressed my opinion regarding homosexuality among both genders, and why some straight people have an abhorrence to homosexuality, either openly or in secret. How anything I said can be misconstrued as saying what you assume boggles the mind.

LOL, what about homosexuals fear and hatred of bisexuals? What about gay mens disgust toward straight and gay women? What about lesbians doing battle against everyone?

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv I think a lot of this stems from the persecution that homosexual people face. It’s hard, mentally, to feel like everyone is against you (whether or not everyone really is – I don’t think everyone is against gays and lesbians, but sometimes it feels that way!). Some people respond by generalizing about other groups (straight people, bisexuals, whatever) and then lashing out at these groups themselves. It doesn’t make sense when you think about it logically, but I think it’s part of it. It’s hard to stop a cycle like this, but I think (and really hope) that human society is on the right track.

Well… um… I wasn’t expecting to see my picture up there (Riser) I’d like to take the credit for it but I’m afraid that was all flawless lighting. :)

To answer this question… I believe most of it has to do with our general lack of understanding. If your assumption is that all gay men have anal sex (not true) and all gay men are flamboyant (also not true) and all want to be women when we grow up (only if the dresses were fabulous… kidding) you’re going to paint an image of a gay man that would never fit in with a woman.

Men are naturally visual. I’ve had many straight friends tell me the hardest thing about being around gay men is they can’t help but imagine what they do in bed. As much as they don’t want to it’s something they can’t help and because of their general lack of understanding, who knows how much truth is actually in their head.

My 2 cents.

P.S. I know many straight people who didn’t know gay men prepare or that some only top.

@rooeytoo – Not sure what women you’ve been with, but there is a massive difference between roughness/hairiness of men vs. women. :P

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv

Who says gay men hate gay and straight women? That’s ridiculous. Why do so many gay men spend time with straight girls? Most of my friends are straight girls.

And I don’t hate bisexuals or fear them. It does, however, make me angry when bisexuals insist that everyone is bisexual, when that is not true. I might as well tell them that no one is bisexual and they’re just kidding themselves. But that’s not true either.

Because men love seeing girls dyking it out. End of story.

^^^Very offensive!!!^^^

@DominicX First, its good to see you.

I didnt mean that all gay men hate women, of course not all of them do. But ive seen enough men in gay clubs clearly disgusted that women are there, or that theyd rather be vivisected then forced to touch a womans twizzer.

Funny about the Bisexual thing, nobody would have raised an eyebrow if i had said straights hate or fear homosexuals. but if some gays have a problem with Bisexuals (and we all know some of them do) it must be some for some more acceptable reason. (sarcasm)

Sure theres some completely straight and gay individuals but I’m a believer in the Kinsey Scale, shame so many straight and gays see bisexuality as some sort of cop out or flaw.

I figured it out (why gays are the target of much more negative attention that lesbians).

Would you feel safer picking on this person, or this one (the one in front)? to their faces I mean

@Noel_S_Leitmotiv

It’s nice to see you too. :)

And I don’t see bisexuality that way, but I just don’t like having my sexuality undermined. I have never been attracted to a girl, so I refuse to say I’m bisexual. I’m a 6 on the scale. The 6 doesn’t exist for no one to be it; as you said, some people are and I feel that I am. I have no reason to believe otherwise. That’s why I don’t like sweeping generalizations like “everyone is bisexual”. I don’t like not being believed.

@tinyfaery Why?

I’m sure you can come up with something better than dyking it up.

@tinyfaery Doubtful. Not coming from the same person who said a 45-year-old man should be able to sleep with a 7-year-old girl, if it’s what she wants…

Whaaaat? Link me please.

http://www.fluther.com/disc/49756/men-if-you-found-out-a-15-year-old-girl-was-sexually-attracted/

It’s almost at the bottom that he says it. He argues that if a girl has had her period, even as young as seven, and she wants to have sex – regardless of who she “wants” to have sex with, it should be able to happen.

Creeeeeeeeeeeperrrrrrrrrr

@DrasticDreamer You know the legal age of consent in Japan is 13? Not trying to defend nor attack anyone here but I just found out recently and thought it related

In American society, women get away with breaking gender norms more than men do, so that may have a part in it.

Besides, many men may not have a problem with gay men, but still get creeped out thinking that the gay man may want him or something.