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Seditious libel? Coworker claims admin. wants UN troops patrolling US waterways according to some NRA newsletter. Any truth to this?

Asked by hiphiphopflipflapflop (6084points) August 7th, 2011

I find this very hard to swallow. Feels like swiftboating to further charge up the NRA rank-and-file. Not that it seems necessary to me at this point, given how venomous this fellow and members of my family get at the mere mention of our President’s name.

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woodcutter's avatar

I haven’t seen anything in my inbox like that.

Jaxk's avatar

We’d need a reference to know what you’re talking about.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

@Jaxk “NRA newsletter”, that’s all he said about the source.

woodcutter's avatar

Until I see anything I’m going to say there is no truth to this. something here that I bet not many people knew about

lillycoyote's avatar

There is no such thing as seditious libel in the United States, and you are a U.S. citizen and reside here @hiphiphopflipflapflop, yes? It was a crime under the British crown and used to stifle criticism of the government, the king and to stifle dissent. We had a revolution a couple of hundred years ago so we were not subject to such oppressive suppressions of dissent and speech and the Supreme Court has subsequently affirmed it.

TexasDude's avatar

NRA member here.

Haven’t seen anything like this in any recent newsletters.

ETpro's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop I don’t know where your relatives got this notion, but it is obvious drivel. THe UN does not maintain a standing army. There are no disposable UN troops to deploy to the US waterways. UN peacekeeping forces are deployed to trouble spots only on the authority of the Security Council, and are contributed by UN member states for that specific mission only. No such measure has even been before the UN Security Council.

@woodcutter That link is clearly to some nutcase wingnut. Does the author have any idea how large the Hong Kong poliece force is. How on earth would the US recruit 20,000,000 ex Hone Kong police officers to “pacify” the USA. Rubbish.

ETpro's avatar

@woodcutter Yeah, I figured that was your point. Just amplifying on it with you.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

@lillycoyote intentionally brought up that term as I see the use of outright lies to stir s**t up against an elected government a pretty blatant abuse of freedom of speech, though protected. It should still be pointed out for what it is.

@ETpro this was said by my coworker, not by family. He’s also mentioned reading “survivalist blogs” so I’m thinking he may have got it from there rather than something put out by the NRA.

woodcutter's avatar

I think somebody has been drinking the coolaid. I’ll believe it when I see blue helmets and when dogs get wings.

rts486's avatar

I read the NRA’s newsletters or magazines and I haven’t seen anything like this.

lillycoyote's avatar

@hiphiphopflipflapflop I understand your anger and frustration. I feel it too, really I do; I have for a very long time. When your only weapons are truth and reason and there are so many people who are simply and completely impervious to the truth and to reason it can be infuriating, demoralizing, frustrating, etc. but I’m not sure if your use of that term is pointing it out for what it is. Some nitwit believing some bit of wingnut nonsense and misinformation he or she read on the internet, swallowed hook, line and sinker and is now repeating at work simply does not, even if such a thing existed, rise to the level of “seditious libel” in my opinion. And it just doesn’t do any good, I don’t think, to use that kind of hyperbole in the discourse when trying to “fight the good fight,” and I believe you are fighting the good fight; I just don’t think it gets any of us anywhere. We have to be the reasonable ones, not be the reactionaries, not be the ones who sensationalize and speak in hyperbole, not be the ones given to accusing people of some sort of crime against the state that they really shouldn’t be accused of, IMHO.

hiphiphopflipflapflop's avatar

To clarify, I don’t mean my coworker, who I respect and see as a fundamentally decent if flawed (as I am) individual. I don’t think it’s totally out of the bounds of hyperbole for whomever would deliberately fabricate and broadcast such things in the first place.

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