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What kind of signal does it send to loyal Republican voters when even Paul Ryan is not yet ready to endorse their presumptive nominee, Trump?

Asked by Buttonstc (27605points) May 5th, 2016

It’s certainly understandable why neither Cruz nor the Bush family is endorsing Trump considering the demeaning manner in which he treated both Ted and Jeb.

But Ryan was above the fray and not directly a target for Trump’s insults. So, if even he refuses to just hold his nose and fall in line with Trump, what does this say to Republican voters as well as the significant number of “undecideds”?

Is the Republican party going to implode and commit political suicide rather than throw their support to the odious Trump.

If we thought that Ted Cruz was universally disliked by most of his own party, that doesn’t seem to hold a candle to the degree of distaste for “The Donald”

Or do you think that they’re hoping to come up with something to offer him come convention time (a prestigious cabinet position or Ambassadorship or whatever) to get him to drop this “crazy” idea of being President (or being able to function as one without the support of his own party?)

Admittedly that’s just grasping at straws and hardly likely.

This whole mess is getting more and more interesting with each passing day.

I wonder if Ryan is having regrets about his firm decision to not accept being nominated at a contested convention in the halcyon days when a Trump victory was unlikeky? Poor Paul.
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http://www.npr.org/2016/05/05/476933906/house-speaker-paul-ryan-says-hes-not-backing-trump-yet

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23 Answers

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

We republicans don’t generally like Trump. We despise Hillary and we hate Bernie I don’t think there is a plan. I’m seriously considering not voting in this election, first time I ever have.

si3tech's avatar

@Buttonstc Loyal republican voters do not recognize the sitting GOP. And the sitting GOP don’t recognize the law, the constitution or bill of rights. It seems to me that “the people are finally being heard”.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Paul Ryan gave me a clear signal to laugh and laugh and laugh. I am making popcorn by the bucket-load in anticipation of the GOP convention.

Buttonstc's avatar

Me too. It should be quite a show :)

JLeslie's avatar

I have to admit that at this point I have a little schadenfreude watching the right wingers squirm.

josie's avatar

Ryan has an agenda. Trump does too, although it is hard to tell what it is.
Ryan is at this moment the second or third most powerful guy in Washington.
Whomever the president is will have to “do business” with the Speaker.
The Speaker believes, correctly in my opinion, that they should come to him, not vice versa.
Why would he subordinate himself to a guy he really doesn’t know or understand? I wouldn’t.

kritiper's avatar

The Republican party has effectively come to the end of the road, and only the dying throes remain. Time for a new plan of action!

ibstubro's avatar

126,144,000 Americans voted in the 2012 Presidential election.
10,647,150 Americans have voted for Donald Trump in 2016.

You can’t blame Ryan for holding out hope that there is still a way for Republicans to appeal to the other 110,000,000 voters.

ragingloli's avatar

“We republicans don’t generally like Trump.”
That must be why you made him the republican nominee.

The reality is of course, that ‘you republicans generally like trump, as evidenced by his 59% approval rating among republicans’.

rojo's avatar

Clinton and Trump. Seriously, of all the people in the United States these two are the best the two parties can come up with? You have to question the vetting process. But maybe the best person for the job and the person who will be chosen for the job are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

cookieman's avatar

@rojo: I’ve often thought that the most qualified and “best” for the job of President are far too smart to run in the first place.

Buttonstc's avatar

@ibstubro

Oh, I don’t blame Ryan a bit for his stance. As a matter of fact my opinion of him just went up a notch or two.

I just found it a little surprising, that’s all.

LostInParadise's avatar

I don’t care for Trump, but Ryan’s stance feeds into Trump’s anti-establishment image. Given the low opinion of Congress that the public has, I don’t think it hurts Trump.

si3tech's avatar

@LostInParadise I agree. The anti establishment vote helps Trump.

Pachy's avatar

“Loyal” Republicans??? Loyal to what? Loyal to whom?

si3tech's avatar

@Buttonstc I would be very concerned if Ryan endorsed Trump.

Buttonstc's avatar

@Pachy

Just to clarify, I was referring to those who are loyal to the Republican Party.

There are people in both parties who vote a straight party ticket in each and every election both local and federal.

I’m not one of them, but I know they exist. So I was just curious how those people might view Ryan’s current stance. I mean, he is a powerful figure in the R. party so his words carry some weight.

And to a degree the same is true of the Bush family, but their abstention is more understandable considering how most of Trump’s criticism of Jeb was petty and personal rather than issues based.

I don’t think Ted’s opinion matters all that much to anybody, R. or not

But Ryan is quite a different story. It will be interesting to see this played out.

ibstubro's avatar

Demean: “cause a severe loss in the dignity of and respect for someone or something.”
I was just reading the details and I don’t think it’s possible to demean Ted Cruz, @Buttonstc.

Buttonstc's avatar

Ha ha. You’re likely correct about Ted.

But I don’t think that the Bush family will ever forgive him.

ibstubro's avatar

Nor should they, @Buttonstc.
As a matter of fact, I think political ads replaying Trump’s personal attacks early in the game, when Trump was still considered ‘fringe’, might be effective.

I’d love an ad that simply strung Trump’s snarling personal insults together. I wonder if Bush can still spend his money on that.

Buttonstc's avatar

Well, I assume that, like most others, he “suspended” his campaign rather than quit outright. I might be wrong about that, but I think that’s what they all do.

I’ve always assumed it was because that way they could still collect campaign donations from people to pay off debts incurred. Doesn’t any surplus in the end go toward the Republican party coffers?

Anyhow, that would be a great idea. Altho, it would help either Hillary or Bernie get elected so not sure they’d be wanting to do that :)

MollyMcGuire's avatar

It signals he is playing politics with the big boys.

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