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What are the chances that my husband has been wrong, all his life, about the year he was born?

Asked by Dutchess_III (46938points) October 10th, 2017

He says he was born in 1951. It shows 1951 on his driver’s license. However, the SSA has him listed as born in 1952. We’re going to request a copy of his birth certificate to get this cleared up. But what if his birth certificate even shows 1952?! :O
This is just a kind of fun question, but boy, is the situation a freaking head ache to deal with.

One small bit of background. He said that when he was 16 he lost his driver’s license. His dad went in and got a replacement for him. This was in the 60’s and you could just do stuff like that, without a whole lot of checking and documentation. He said his dad told them the wrong year he was born, which kind of bugs him. It would bug me too if my parents didn’t remember the year I was born.
I don’t know if they put the incorrect information on his replacement DL or if that’s how all this started or what.

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Zaku's avatar

Sounds like the chances are about 50/50.

It’s a funny story. I hope for his sake the answer isn’t going to require making corrections with dozens of bureaucracies with no convenient procedure for doing so.

It’s amazing how much significance we place one something so materially irrelevant except for the meanings we add to it. Laws, retirement policies, identification, etc.

MrGrimm888's avatar

The chances are there. Does anyone have any actual memories of when they were born?

I know you can count the rings in a woman’s vagina, to tell age, but there’s nothing that accurate for men…~

Muad_Dib's avatar

My step-grandfather didn’t know exactly when he was born. He was the last of like 9 kids born in the Appalachians in the 20s. To hear him tell it Mom squatted in the cornfield and birthed him between bushels.

He told the Army he was 18 when he enlisted for WW2, so that’s the age he rolled with his whole life.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Wow, Mud girl!
No one has a memory of when they were born. We just go with what they tell us.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

My mother’s aunt (my grandfater’s older sister) past away many years ago. At the reception in the Funeral Home the cousins, uncle and aunts started talking and passing memories.
One of the older uncles said he remembered when she came down from New Brunswick to help out his mother take care of his younger siblings in Maine. One of the aunts said, “How could she do that she would only be 7 years old.” Cat is out of the bag she had subtracted 8 or 9 years off her age. Before she died at 105 years old (corrected age) she had; 8 years before taken her first airplane ride from New England to for one of her older cousins, she loved it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Wow!

It would just blow my mind, at this age, to learn that I wasn’t really born the year I thought I was. Would it freak you out a little too?

imrainmaker's avatar

I don’t think it will make much difference by a year. As said above we believed what others told us / go by record. We really don’t know it ourselves! It is past now and should really care about the future..)

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, it makes a difference to the SSA. If he’s right, he turned 65 last year. If they’re right, he turns 65 this year. And there is another mile marker at 70. So we really have to get this straightened out.

imrainmaker's avatar

^^You can celebrate his 70th twice then one as per each record..) jk..!

chyna's avatar

Have you ever looked at Ancestry dot com?
Amazing that they already had copies of my parents, grandparents and great grandparents birth certificates.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Ah, you have to pay to join, don’t you? But you know, there might be something out there. After my mom died I did some poking around and found a place that actually listed her whole social security number.

chyna's avatar

They have free weekends on occasion.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Wait..they have a 14 day free trial….

Muad_Dib's avatar

There’s a lot of information on familysearch.org, too – if you aren’t freaked out about finding out how much the Mormon church knows about your family. (It’s one of my main sources for onomastics research)

Dutchess_III's avatar

Man…I see 0 results for my husband or ANY family member anywhere with the same last name…

Muad_Dib's avatar

I’mma PM you on the other F site. This is what I do for fun and I’ve got booze and the baseball game is cancelled

Dutchess_III's avatar

Cool beans.

elbanditoroso's avatar

I know that my late grandmother lied about her birth year for 65+ years. She always said that she had been born in 1908, but when she died, we came across her birth certificate document (issued by the Ottoman Empire; she was born in Palestine) that clearly showed that she was born in 1906.

Was this on purpose or was this an oversight on her part? We’ll never know and she has been dead for 20+ years.

NomoreY_A's avatar

As long as SSA had me down as 66 (not there yet) I wouldn’t care. I could work all the hours I want and make as much money as I want, and they cant screw me out of my Social Security payments. I’d love to tell those bureaucrat ass hats to eat shit and die.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They have him.down as a year younger.

Dutchess_III's avatar

….can you get SS and continue to work????

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Yes to your question @Dutchess_III !

Check with the local SSA office or have him check on-line. There is a calculation for the reduction of SS payments per month because of work pay checks.

NomoreY_A's avatar

Yes you can I am doing it. Nut2 you can only make so much per year without a deduction in monthly payements. Once you turrn 66 there is.no limit. All they can do is cry iin their soup because they can’t jerk you aroind any more

Tropical_Willie's avatar

The “no limit” for earnings is currently 70 years old @NomoreY_A

Limits from SSA for income

NomoreY_A's avatar

I knew they’d screw me around… if I live that long, they’ll raise it to 80.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Thanks @Tropical_Willie. My head is kind of spinning.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I had to have a copy (with purple stamp and embossed) of my birth certificate, to get my SS card over fifty years ago. did he have just go in without anything and get his? ? ?

Dutchess_III's avatar

He hasn’t done anything. He has his SS card. We just need his birth certificate to find out how old he is.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

No, the SSA has a record with his birth date. When did he get his SSA card and how?

Dutchess_III's avatar

He’s always had his SS card, as far as I know. I’ve always had mine too, as far as I know.

That’s the problem, @Tropical_Willie. He’s always said he was born in 1951. His driver’s license says 1951. But recently it came to my attention that the SS office has his birth year as 1952. It’s causing headaches with the IRS and and retirement issues.
Hence we need to get his birth certificate.

snowberry's avatar

So, is there going to be a problem getting his birth certificate?

Dutchess_III's avatar

No. Just a hassle. Just need to fill out forms and write a check and snail mail it to them. I have everything ready, just waiting for Rick to get home and fill it all out.

Oh, @Tropical_Willie, I just realized, when we got married in 06 I had to request a new SS card. Don’t remember any particular hassle. Just a copy of my driver’s license and marriage certificate.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

That was just a name change for an existing SS card.
They are going to want his birth date, aren’t they ?
I had to have my birth certificate when I got my first driver’s license.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He is not requesting a new SS card!

Tropical_Willie's avatar

If he had a birth certificate when he got his SS card then . . . that would be his birth date.

If he had a birth certificate when he got his driver’s license . . . . hat would be his birth date

If he never showed a birth certificate for either . . . . no me know.

Dutchess_III's avatar

That is why we are requesting a copy of his birth certificate so we can get this cleared up.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Are you asking for BOTH birthdays ? ? ? ?

Beginning of ID theft is “I need a copy of my birth certificate” with vague information.

Dutchess_III's avatar

We have to provide a photocopy of his driver’s license (which lists 1951 as his birth year) and he needs to fill out and sign a form requesting his birth certificate. It’s not hard to get one.
And what do you mean are we asking for BOTH birthdays? Are you just not following this @Tropical_Willie? But I do love you man.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

If the license has the wrong birthday you maybe S O L !

I love you too.

Dutchess_III's avatar

So we won’t be able to get a copy of his birth certificate?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Maybe they will take his SS card info, from the SSA.
That was my point if the error is his driver’s license it is a problem.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Who is “they”?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

The agency that issues copies of birth certificates.

If his driver’s license date is wrong, you will need to double back.

No passport?

Dutchess_III's avatar

You mean the Department of Vital Statistics?? Somehow I don’t think so!
If we get his BC and it shows 1952 he’ll have to jump through hoops to get his DL fixed and many other things, I imagine..
If it shows 1951 he’ll have to jump through hoops to get it corrected at the SSA.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

That’s if they issue it to you, Identity theft is one thing they (Department of Vital Statistics) are watching out for with requests from out of the blue. People asking for a birth certificate can set up a new ID but with Rick’s info.

They don’t know you from Joe Bloe from Texaco

Dutchess_III's avatar

I just read the instructions and printed off the form for Rick to fill out. My daughter had to get new birth certificates for the twins when they had a name change. It’s pretty common to request a birth certificate. Cost $15.00.
And how would any request be anything other than “out of the blue?” It asks for the reason you want it issued, and that’s easily checked into.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

The kids “NEW certificates” for a name change had an existing Certificate in her hands.
Right?

The Russian or Iranians or Martians. You know who he is but if you have the wrong birth date.

Dutchess_III's avatar

That’s why we need a copy of his birth certificate to get it all straightened out. The SS could be wrong.

Dutchess_III's avatar

And he has an existing certificate. He doesn’t have it physically, or if he did he misplaced it. But who does have their birth certificate laying around the house? I sure don’t.

Muad_Dib's avatar

Me? My husband? I still have my original one from 1985. Hubby has his from 1970.

He has his original ss card, too. I shredded the one with my maiden name on it

Dutchess_III's avatar

I had mine at one time, but it disintegrated.

JLeslie's avatar

If I had to bet money, I’d say he was born in ‘52. Especially since he has a memory of his dad getting his driver’s license.

Most people who have incorrect licenses are actually younger than their license.

That’s my guess.

Dutchess_III's avatar

We’ll find out!

Dutchess_III's avatar

Your reasoning seems a bit odd. Why are they actually younger, and never older @JLeslie? If the culprit was his father giving them the wrong date of 1951, he could have just as easily given them a year later, 1953.

JLeslie's avatar

Usually, in childhood, people have reasons to want to be older. Either to get their driver’s license, or get into school early (like me) or to join the military.

I’m just playing the odds guessing about your husband, I could easily be wrong.

Dutchess_III's avatar

None of the above.

JLeslie's avatar

Well, I didn’t know my birthday wasn’t right until I was 8. Sometimes the actual person didn’t do the “fixing,” their parents did. Are your husband’s parents still alive?

Dutchess_III's avatar

If his is wroing he’s just now finding out at 65 or 66. It will be odd to him. Very odd.
His 95 year old Dad is alive.

JLeslie's avatar

I can understand it feeling odd. Certainly SS could be wrong. Records back then when he got his SS # I would bet had many errors. Even now I’m sure there are errors.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Got it today. He was born, as he believed, in 1951. Why the SS office has him at 1952 is the next mystery to solve.

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