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Californians voted to keep Daylight Savings Time year-round. Do you buy this explanation?

Asked by Jeruba (48711points) November 7th, 2018

I suspect that some significant number of them believe that this means more daylight hours—longer days. As if you could legislate the seasonal timetable of the earth’s movement. Probably some of those are the same people who don’t know the difference between climate and weather. Not to mention the woman who said that if standard time was good enough for God, it was good enough for her.

My husband doesn’t believe they’re that stupid.

If you don’t think it’s possible, you probably haven’t heard the phone conversation about deer crossings.

What do you think? Are people that stupid? Not all, of course, but some. A lot.

I note that all this vote means in practice is that now the state legislature has to consider it. No change is imminent. For what it’s worth, I did vote against this proposal.

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Mariah's avatar

I’m sure some people are that stupid, but there are plenty of reasons to want DST to be year-round that don’t involve misunderstandings of how the universe works. I’d vote for it if it were on the ballot here.

canidmajor's avatar

I agree with @Mariah. It’s all arbitrary anyway, I would rather have more daylight hours in the afternoon, especially on the short days, than in the morning.

Patty_Melt's avatar

I am nocturnal. I have been my whole life. No matter what I try, I can’t function during daytime.
I jump through hoops trying to accommodate a daytime world, and having it jump back and forth on me feels like a sadistic game of keep away.

I wish we could stick with one timeline, and leave that in place.

Pinguidchance's avatar

I’m diurnal, nocturnal, cathemeral, crepuscular and I like faded curtains so bring it on.

I’d want it to be an autumnal start so I could have an extra hour forever.

YARNLADY's avatar

No the proposition was to allow the government to pass a bill if they want to. A yes (or no) vote did absolutely nothing to change the way it now works.

Soubresaut's avatar

The loss of an hour in the spring results in a temporary spike in heart attacks, car accidents, strokes, work-time injuries, and possibly suicides. (DST can kill). That’s the main reason I voted for it—no sense in adding the stress of an hour’s lost sleep to our lives each year.

Caravanfan's avatar

I voted against it. A vote for all year daylight savings time will result in a risk more children getting killed by having to walk to school in the dark in the northern part of the state.

Patty_Melt's avatar

That is a good point.
I don’t care what time they choose, I just hate the hopping back and forth. They should pick one and stick with it.

Jeruba's avatar

Well, so much for reading the question. Thanks anyway.

Soubresaut's avatar

@Caravanfan—well, drat. It should go the other way, then.

@Jeruba—sorry. The reason I gave was the only “pro” reason I heard from people around me who voted for it, either. No one that I know thought we’d get more total daylight. I don’t have any real way of knowing about anyone else, but I’d be really surprised if that were the case for most people who voted for it… that, or I don’t want to believe that’s the case!

zenvelo's avatar

No @Jeruba we Californians are not that stupid.

People are just sick of changing their clocks twice a year and having their schedules disrupted.

My proposal is that the whole country move ½ hour ahead of standard time, and then never change the clocks again. Split the difference between ST and DST.

kritiper's avatar

@Jeruba Some woman said that if it (standard time) was good enough for God, it was good enough for her? That’s hilarious!

“Until noon of the 18th of November, 1883, which was a Sunday, the matter of time on American railroads, and indeed in all American life, was pretty much in chaos. The city of Buffalo was a fair example. On its ornate railroad station were three clocks, one operating on New York City time, used by the New York Central; one set to Columbus, Ohio, time, favored by the Michigan Southern and other railroads of the region, and the third set to Buffalo time. In Pittsburgh the situation was even worse, for the railroads touching there used a total of six time standards.
Then, at noon on this 18th day of November, the clocks used by railroads in the United States were reset to fit the four time standards that had been agreed upon only after years of effort, much of which had to be expended in beating down the opposition of traditionalists, obscurantists, and the interests that would lose, or thought they would lose, something by adoption of the time standards. It was a victory of the first importance, this agreement among the many railroads of the country, and it came, not from the government, which indeed opposed it, but from the General Time Convention, fathered and sponsored by American railroads.”
-from The Story of American Railroads, by Stewart H. Holbrook, copyright, 1947 by Crown Publishers, chapter XXXI, “Time and the Railroads.” p. 354

What I wouldn’t give to see that woman’s face when she realized that the “God” she referred to was, in reality, some railroad.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Sorry. I got caught up in the issue and forgot to answer the actual question.
I did read it though, and I have seen that deer clip before.
Some people are stunning in their ignorance, but I believe most voters must be smarter than that. I hope they are.

filmfann's avatar

My understanding was that the California Supreme Court ruled that proposition unconstitutional.

JLeslie's avatar

I think most people know it means it will stay lighter later in the evening, and that they won’t have to deal with a time change twice a year anymore. I’m sure some people think it’s more daylight hours in total, but I think it’s inky a small number of people who think that.

@zenvelo The problem with that proposal is who wants to deal with a half hour time difference when dealing across time zones? I don’t want to be 5.5 hours behind GMT time, as much as your proposal makes sense from a US centric perspective. Although, even then, daylight is different just comparing Miami to Kalamazoo, MI, which are both eastern time, because Michigan is so north and west in the time zone.

rebbel's avatar

A Dutch girl responded to the question if she would prefer summer (that is, the time we have between March and October, when the clock gets set back one hour),or winter time (in Europe it’s an issue right now; turning back Daylight Savings, yes or no) as follows:
‘I prefer summer time because I like the weather better.”

I am sure there are people who don’t fully understand the phenomenon, but I don’t know if all of them can be called stupid.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

If there is more light in the hours you are awake, instead of while you sleep, you effectively do get more daylight hours. From that perspective the explanation is valid.

There is an internet-famous letter to an Arkansas newspaper, warning that Daylight Saving will increase global warming, which appears to be the work of someone stupid. But it was written by a known smart-ass with a history.

flutherother's avatar

I can’t believe a significant proportion of voters didn’t know what Daylight Savings Time is. It is easy to find out. But then you just have to say that Hillary and Obama were in favour of it for millions to vote against and millions of others to vote for.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The change is just annoying…but it’s nice in the mornings. I’m up and out the door at 7 a.m. and before the change it was pitch black at that time. After the change there is light. Makes driving much safer and easier.

JLeslie's avatar

@flutherother I think a lot of people don’t know that daylight savings is the name of the one they like the most. It seems more intuitive that standard time is the “real” time, and daylight savings is the adjustment for the change in season. As such, a lot of people the summer is standard time, but no, the crappy winter months are the standard.
So, when people say they don’t know, I think some people literally have no idea the two times have specific names, but then I think a lot of people who say they don’t know possibly are saying they don’t know which is which.

That’s my guess anyway. That it’s a miscommunication sometimes, and people interpret the answer incorrectly.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

I think a lot of people don’t know that daylight savings is the name of the one they like the most.

I could never remember which was Saving Time. Only a year or two ago did I make a determined effort to remember “Saving begins with an S like summer”.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Yes. Some people are that stupid.

JLeslie's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay But but, standard begins with S too.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Don’t confuse me, I had it down!

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