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Dutchess_III's avatar

Why would a person not pay their bills, even when they have the money to?

Asked by Dutchess_III (42238points) February 8th, 2019

One of the nicer things about Trump is that he has left many contractors hanging, and never paying what he owed them, although they had finished the project. He had the money. If he didn’t have it right then, he did eventually. Not paying the smaller guys could very well have ruined their business. Did he not care? Why didn’t he pay them?

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KNOWITALL's avatar

Busy, or they simply forget? You should ask your city how much they get in late fees for water bills alone each month. Many who are late are not poor, believe it or not.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I can’t believe you’re comparing a multimillion dollar construction project with Joe Blows $120 utility bill! That’s absurd.
He never paid them, period. Plus he had accountants who paid his bills. He had to have instructed them specifically not to pay what he owed. I’m trying to understand why anyone would do that, when they had the money, when they have MORE than enough.
Must be one of those smart things that rich people do.

Stache's avatar

@Dutchess_III Is this question about the average person or Trump? The question title does not include Trump. I believe @KNOWITALL is answering your question title.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Stache You’re right, I did not assume the entire question was about mocking Trump, but I should have. Apologies.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Actually, I do apologize. I just assumed the reasons were the same. The examples you gave of the average person, “forgetting” or being “busy,” results in unpleasant consequences for that person.
So let’s say if there were no consequences would they just never “remember” to pay it? What if they were reminded 6 months later, and STILL didn’t pay it? And all this time he had the money, no problem.

JLeslie's avatar

Some people just don’t care about their debts, especially if they no longer are using the item, or already possess the item and can’t lose it.

For instance, if someone didn’t pay their utility bill a few months and now has moved, they may not care about paying what they owe. Or, if someone has $5k in credit card bills, and has decided to never pay, or declare bankruptcy, they just don’t pay. Some companies can garnish wages and repossess items, like cars. A car that is repossessed, if the “owner” was upside down, the wages can be garnished. If they couldn’t be garnished I think most people wouldn’t pay money for their repossessed car.

kritiper's avatar

To wield POWER! And let those poor bastards know it!

Inspired_2write's avatar

Re: Question Title…Because they are irresponsible and probably spent the money already.
Re: Trump
If contractors had a contract to cover interest charges if not paid on time and the consequences they then would be paid, but more likely in Court process.

ucme's avatar

I always pay them, there’s Bill the gardener, then there’s Bill the pool cleaner & also Bill our accountant.

stanleybmanly's avatar

So the question should read: “why would Trump choose not to pay his bills?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@stanleybmanly
1) He’s a dick.
2) That’s the way his daddy would do it.
3) He owe money to a porn star.
4) through 1000) He owes money to the Russian Mafia ! ! ! !

LuckyGuy's avatar

That is Trumps pattern.
i know someone who installed windows for him. He finished the job and invoiced for payment. Trump alwys managed to find something to complain about. The contractor would address it but Trump would always find something else and not pay
Finally the guy actually said “F—You!” and went back and began removing the windows. He was quickly paid.

Trump will always try to find something wrong with a job so he can complain and get it for free..(Not unlike those low-life individuals who repeatedly complain at restaurants so they can get a free meal or a comped dessert.)
in another example he was inspecting a new building and complained that there were bumps on the elevator push buttons. The architect/project manager explaand that they were Braille and were for blind people. Trump said “Blind people won’t stay here. Get rid of the bumps.” Of course the project manager could not do that since it would not pass state laws.
So Trump withheld payment They had to go to court.
That is one tiny example of why he is involved with so many lawsuits.

JLeslie's avatar

@LuckyGuy OMG. That’s so disgusting what he does.

ragingloli's avatar

For people like Drumpf, always insist on full payment in advance.

Unofficial_Member's avatar

Because there’s no penalty/he’s immune to it? What I know is that if an rule/agreement is broken there would be a consequence, as sanctioned by the Law. They could increase the interest percentage for the debt the longer you delay or cut down directly from your earning (similar to child support). Just… Let him do whatever he wants, once his reign is over US may have a different future, or not, if many people somehow still prefer Trump to rule.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@LuckyGuy ‘s examples merely hint at why I consider the man one contemptibly flawed human being. It’s bad enough that he’s dishonest and not to to be trusted. But the pattern for everything he does is so often an emphasis on screwing the vulnerable or defenseless. He’ll fk over major banks given the opportunity, and in the end that will probably be his undoing, because the shutdown of legitimate financing for his ego projects throws a huge spotlight on the sources of revenue underpinning his tacky empire. But it’s the struggling cities and their taxpayers left holding the bag on some glittering scheme, desperate refugees-ripe for the kicking, gays in the military, contractors working on shoestring margins. His approach or solution to anything is always dependably the meanest and most callous option available.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well said @stanleybmanly. If you have no conscience, if you truly don’t give a shit about any man, woman or child, ripping people off is easy. Lying is easy. Stealing their livelihood from them is easy, and to be looked upon with pride,as if he accomplished some worthwhile goal.

Inspired_2write's avatar

@stanleybmanly and @LuckyGuy
I just figured out why Trump chooses to defer payment…because he is all about money and making more of it so by deferring as long as he gets the interest on his money while this is going on, he continues to make more money, that’s why the law should intervene or the initial contract should specify repercussions of late payment including the court costs too! I bet that he is very careful of contracts that do not have those repercussions outlined and thus he is extorting from vulnerable contractors.( I bet that he seeks out these companies to better extort them. His reputation is ruined but he seems oblivious or unconcerned about his reputation..as money is more important in his mind.

Dutchess_III's avatar

And then he files bankruptcy and saves not only his interest but the principal he would have paid to whatever contractor he owed. After it was stashed away overseas somewhere, where it wouldn’t have to be claimed as assets on his bankruptcy.
In his mind he literally can never go broke. He can never fail. He simply can not. It is impossible.

Inspired_2write's avatar

@Dutchess_III
He will fail, many times and his reputation will be broadcast all over the world, so good luck IF he can get a contractor to build his hotels in other countries…there country would not be so lenient..he will be stopped by their laws or by paying through the nose for anything.
Lots of other countries will not put up with his antics.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He was already unable to secure loans through banks because of his bankruptcies.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Dutchess_III Back to borrowing from the Russian Mafia ! ! !^^^^^

seawulf575's avatar

Let’s take it out of the political realm for a moment. We had a situation where my wife cosigned on student loans for one of her kids. That child graduated college and landed a great job. We started getting nasty letters from the lending institution stating that payments had not be made for 3 months and it was reflecting negatively on my wife’s credit rating. When asked about it, the young man stated that one of his economics professors told them they didn’t need to repay student loans. So he wasn’t. Call it ignorance? Call it arrogance? I don’t know. He had the money, he just didn’t want to pay. He also didn’t understand that not paying was going to hit not only his credit rating, but my wife’s as well. We eventually got him squared away and he paid his own loan off.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 Are you telling us that Trump lacks the basic cognition to understand that he is ethically obligated to pay his bills?

seawulf575's avatar

No, @stanleybmanly, I was answering the question of “why would a person not pay their bills even when they have the money”. In fact, to help you with reading comprehension, I specifically stated Let’s take it out of the political realm for a moment So no, this was not related to Trump. Maybe a better relation to my statement would be “why did a college professor tell the students they didn’t have to pay back their loans?” Maybe HE lacked the basic cognition to understand that they were ethically obligated to pay their loans. But then, he was probably a liberal….

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trumps “Stiffs the little guys” habitually; his loans from the Russian Mafia were co-signed by Putin.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie where is the evidence of that? A citation would be welcome when you make claims like that.

ragingloli's avatar

I wonder if the Russian Mafia even keeps paper trails, when they can just break your legs, or send you a severed horse head once in a while to remind you of your “obligations”.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I’ll let Manafort speak for where the money for Trump Golf Course came from; when he couldn’t get money from US banks.

seawulf575's avatar

No, you made the claim that he got loans from the Russian Mafia and that Putin co-signed for them. Evidence, please. Not some dodge. Just show the proof and I will be content.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

You’re right ! Because every time Trump talks with Putin there are no USA citizens in the room. tsk tsk tsk

seawulf575's avatar

In other words, you have no proof and you are just spreading innuendo and trying to pass it as fact. typical.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Putin acts like Trump’s “KGB handler.”

stanleybmanly's avatar

It is of course feasible that just because his lawyers, advisors, business associates, his murderous Russian kleptocrat “financeers” —anyone near him has been indicted, convicted or under investigation —Trump may be completely innocent. It appears that damned near anyone who ever shook the man’s hand is now on their way to jail. You can pray for a miracle, but the fat lady is audibly warming her pipes.

ragingloli's avatar

I have heard that before in Independence Day.
Who is the fat lady?
It is not a cigar, is it?

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s an American idiom—an opera reference. And you, from the land of Brunhilde should certainly appreciate the quote: “It ain’t over til the fat lady sings.”

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly that is pretty much the same song you have been singing for about a year and a half. Trump is just about to go down. Mueller is just putting the finishing touches on the case. He’s sewing it up tight. Ever stop to think you are probably wrong? That everything you have believed is skewed by the liberal media? That all your predictions are wrong? If it was just days away a year and a half ago, why is Trump still POTUS and why has it come out that Mueller has no indications of collusion with Russia?

Dutchess_III's avatar

I can’t wait to see what his tax returns show!

stanleybmanly's avatar

My guess is that his tax records will probably show the puffed up fool to have a negative net worth.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Oh my! Wouldn’t that be something!

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 The opera may be longer than I would have expected, but the spectacular cast of indicted characters makes for a lengthy performance. The way things are going, it appears there might not be enough time to trot all the defendants onto the stage by 2020, as the juicy plot thickens. Say what you will, it’s been one hell of a show, and Trump has been vindicated in unexpected ways as it turns out that it is HIS swamp that’s being drained. If there’s more gunk than any of us expected, I’m more than happy to sit out the singing from so many minor characters as I await the great finish when they trot his fat ass out for that final BIG aria.

Dutchess_III's avatar

LOL!! Wow!! GA!

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly so your answer is still: Mueller is just stitching it up, he’s putting the finishing touches on it, and Trump is just about to go down. In the end, you are still grasping at straws as are all Dems/liberals. If there was a smoking gun, it would have come out already. But you have company. The House Dems are now trying to get a true witch hunt going…looking into anything the POTUS has ever done. Desperate much?

Dutchess_III's avatar

^^^Yes.

These are a lot of straws:
Indicted: Roger Stone
Convicted: Paul Manafort
Pleaded guilty: Michael Cohen
Pleaded guilty: W. Samuel Patten
Pleaded guilty: Rick Gates
Pleaded guilty: Alex van der Zwaan
Pleaded guilty: Richard Pinedo
Pleaded guilty: Michael Flynn
Pleaded guilty: George Papadopoulos
I may be missing some because this was from December.

A LOT of straws.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Indeed. If guilt by association were the deal, Trump would NEVER get out of jail. Anyone with the nerve to claim that it’s suspicious that the Clintons knew a lot of dead folks should pay attention.

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III and how many of those were indicted or plead guilty to anything dealing with the election? Ummm…..none. Most involved events that happened before Trump met these folks or the folks lied to the FBI. They were fools. Though I have to say, they may have misled investigators because they recognized this for what it is…a witch hunt. Doesn’t make it right, but I would certainly understand it.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly You always said the Clinton body count was nothing but a conspiracy theory. Are you now saying the Trump assumption of guilt is a conspiracy theory? You are comparing the two. Or are you actually saying there is something to the Clinton Body count idea? If that is the case then maybe we should really be doing an in-depth investigation with a special prosecutor into the Clintons.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Good luck with that! You wanna know the difference between the investigations of Clinton and Trump? Aside from the slew of convictions, and the length of time required to roll up the entire hole-in-the-head gang, the Mueller and Congressional investigations are unlikely to drag out for 30 years. Even a dummy should appreciate the substantial difference between 30 years with no indictments or convictions and 2 years with 30 indictments and convictions.

stanleybmanly's avatar

And even if you are convinced that slick Willie is every bit the criminal as Donald Trump, you should ponder the differences; chief among them being that an ignorant dummy requires accomplices to “think” for him. As events bear out, the odds of an ignorant dummy surrounding himself with competent thugs are slim indeed. The same truth holds for his cohorts as that of the rest of his supporters. They’re very apt to be no smarter than the stable genius himself!

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly No, you missed on huge difference between the investigations of the Clintons and Trump. Bill and Donald both had special prosecutors assigned so that is the same. However, Bill was impeached for perjury and obstruction of justice. Donald hasn’t been impeached. And absolutely NO independent counsel was appointed to look into the many Hillary scandals. None. Isn’t that funny? The FBI does an “investigation” and has to conclude the obvious…she broke the law. But contrary to the law, they have to create an intent aspect to let her off. The law is clear about intent not being a part of it. But if you have only a corrupt DoJ under a Dem president running blocker for an influential Dem politician, what do you expect? There were many calls for independent counsels to be appointed and Obama refused. The first time one is asked for with Trump, he agrees. Big differences. If as much effort was put into looking into the Clintons as there has been looking into Trump, I can guarantee they would be in jail.
As for the pondering these differences, maybe you should do that. Clinton impeached, Trump not. That alone makes Clinton the bigger criminal. You want to say that one president didn’t need someone else thinking for him? Maybe Clinton should have had help. Then he wouldn’t have lied under oath and used the power of the office to obstruct justice.

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