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crazyguy's avatar

Why are House races (primarily in NY) still dragging FOUR WEEKS after the election?

Asked by crazyguy (2014points) 1 month ago

Five House races in NY are still ‘undecided’. Here they are:

CD-1: 77% of the vote is in, the GOP candidate leads by 22.4%.
CD-2: 100% in, GOP leads by OVER 14%!
CD-11: 85% in, GOP leads by over 15%.
CD-22: 92% in, GOP leads by 3%.
CD-24, 92% in, GOP leads by 18.5%!

It is apparent that the GOP will win all the races except possibly CD-22. What are the races still showing tip undecided?

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gondwanalon's avatar

Democrats trying to steal elections.

crazyguy's avatar

@gondwanalon I did not want to say that, but I was definitely thinking it.

Dutchess_III's avatar

The election is done. It’s over. Deal with it.

gondwanalon's avatar

^^^ Democrats never got over the 2016 election.

Dutchess_III's avatar

When it finally sunk in that we had elected a petulant, special needs, diaper wearing toddler, nobody with any brains got over it, as he went around making a fool of the whole country.
Did you approve of his behavior, @gondwanalon? Apparently many Republicans did and I will never, ever understand that.

Did you know that, according to trump, Obama is beating Biden in swing states? And swing states are very, very important states?
AND THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO WANTED 4 MORE YEARS OF HIS INSANE BABBLING! Are you one of them?

gondwanalon's avatar

I don’t like Trump’s asinine tweets or his blow hard arrogance. I like his conservative actions. So he doesn’t act presidential, he got a lot of conservative issues done. Like nominating conservatives judges, cut taxes, cur regulations, protected our borders, stood up against China, etc.

I’m over with this presidential election. “The big guy” won. I’m just hoping that the Republican leaders can maintain control of the Senate so they can stop all the nutty liberal programs like the new green deal and packing the Supreme Court. A grid locked do nothing Congress is great for the stock market and the economy.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Considering the source, I assume these races are counted and done but turds on Facebook are stirring up the dimwits with shrieking about “Democrats trying to steal elections”.

elbanditoroso's avatar

I had the impression that candidates could sue to ensure that the votes are fully and accurately counted. And can go to court if they want.

Haven’t you been reading the news?

Irukandji's avatar

@crazyguy Your numbers are incorrect. Those are the numbers (including the vote count percentages) for the in person vote. It’s the mail ballots that are holding things up because New York has a very inefficient method for counting them. Most notably, they aren’t even allowed to start counting mail ballots for nearly a week after election day. Add this to the record number of mail ballots and the delays are inevitable.

@gondwanalon “So he doesn’t act presidential, he got a lot of conservative issues done.”

This is the thing I wish more liberals, progressives, and leftists (three distinct—and often opposed—groups) would realize. Conservatives have long given up the idea that a leader’s character matters in favor of an ends justifies the means approach to politics. It’s a lot easier to understand politics when you recognize this.

“liberal programs like the new green deal and packing the Supreme Court”

I think you mean progressive programs, and Biden opposes both of them. Republicans don’t need the Senate to prevent either one. They need the Senate to prevent the things Biden actually supports that they oppose (e.g., the public option).

jca2's avatar

@gondwanalon: I can assure you that Democrats I know have moved past the 2016 election. However, the issue I had and many Dems that I know had with the 2016 election was that Hillary won the popular vote but lost the Electoral vote. At least with the 2020 election, Biden won both, so it’s clear and consistent.

Yes, we have the Electoral college as our way of electing a President, but that doesn’t mean we like it.

Zaku's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay That was my assumption too.

I checked. We appear to be correct. The NY state election results page at ny.gov shows all congressional districts reported. Republicans did win all those districts, though the margins listed in the questions were off. CD-22 was nowhere near as close as 3%.

gondwanalon's avatar

@Irukandji Oh like Democrat leaders don’t engage in the ends justify the means politics. HA! You crack me up. Like the Christopher Steele Trump dossier wasn’t bases on lies in order to spy on Trump. The entire Trump impeachment fiasco was all about bogus charges to make Trump look bad to uninformed people who don’t pay attention to politics. Talk about not accepting the results of a Presidential election (@jca2). Democrat leaders never accepted the 2016 Presidential election.

This Presidential election was about a choice of a man who loves the USA and a man controlled by forces that hate the USA.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

This Presidential election was about a choice of a man who loves the USA and a man controlled by forces that hate the USA.

Hey, you typed something true. Refreshing.

Irukandji's avatar

@gondwanalon “Oh like Democrat leaders don’t engage in the ends justify the means politics.”

I never said otherwise. I didn’t say that ends justifies the means politics is necessarily bad, either. What I said is that it’s easier to understand politics when we stop pretending that everyone who voted for Trump loves and supports every single thing he thinks and does.

crazyguy's avatar

@Irukandji How true. Trump’s rallies are much better attended than any of his opponent’s for one reason: he is a better stand-up guy. However, his policies are far more attractive to me personally than most presidents we have had. And his actions have been nothing short of spectacular. He has the balls to do what he wants to do, whether it plays well with the populace or not! Is he a dictator? I am certain he would make a benevolent one; but he may change over the years like most dictators do.

Biden, who will, in all likelihood, not even complete his first term, may also have no inhibitions. But, I think, he is too much of an establishment person to really swing for the fences. So I think we are going back to consensus thinking; which basically means all proposals and policies are so watered down that they accomplish nothing at all!

Zaku's avatar

“Trump’s rallies are much better attended than any of his opponent’s for one reason: he is a better stand-up guy.”
– W o w . . .

That may be the most not-in-my-universe statement about this campaign that I’ve ever read.

More like, he was the guy who thought it was OK to gather crowds to show he has supporters during a pandemic of a highly contagious disease. What is a definition of “stand-up guy” that would fit that, not even taking into account the endless list of other ass-hat behaviors Trump has spent his life doing?

If you want to see enthusiastic rally attendance by large numbers of good people, for a good person, see a Bernie Sanders rally, and one not during a contagious pandemic.

crazyguy's avatar

@Zaku Have you ever watched Trump’s hour+ performance at one of these rallies? By contrast are you even aware of any Biden rally that went beyond one hour? I have listened to Trump speak for over an hour; and have endured Biden attempting to speak for 20 minutes; and I have zero compunction in repeating my statement. In light of your reference to covid-19, I’ll add the following:

Most attendees at Trump rallies know they are taking a risk, but do so anyway.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

Biden did not hold rallies, out of respect for the health of Americans.

And you know that.

crazyguy's avatar

@Call_Me_Jay He did, during the Democratic Primary.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

@crazyguy

1) When? Where? How many?

Strauss's avatar

@crazyguy _ I have listened to Trump speak for over an hour; and have endured Biden attempting to speak for 20 minutes;_

I have observed both Trump and Biden over the past ten twenty thirty years. IMHO it’s personality cult vs statesmanship.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Like the time he said Obama was beating Biden in swing states, and swing states are very, very important States. Bigly states.
You can actually listen to his babbling for an hour @crazyguy???

crazyguy's avatar

@Strauss Trump can speak extemporaneously for over an hour. Biden just delivers prepared remarks, and he rarely lasts longer than 20 minutes. Trump can keep his crowd hanging on to every word. Biden specializes in guaranteed applause lines. Trump’s sense of his audience is equivalent to the best stand-up comics.

I must admit that now, after 4 years, he is getting somewhat predictable. But he can still draw a chuckle or two.

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III I must admit that, lately, I get my fill in 10 minutes or so. But, through last year, I did listen to his speeches all the way, much to my wife’s irritation. I imagine you would also be irritated. He does beat his own drum rather loudly and frequently – perhaps a psychoanalyst can analyze why.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They already have. He’s a malignant narcissist.

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III I agree that he is narcissistic. However, in order to satisfy his narcissism, he has ended up doing a lot of good for this country. So far, nobody I have spoken to in person has been able to point out harm to this country in:

1. Getting tough on China.
2. Demanding our NATO allies pay their fair share.
3. Keeping out illegal immigrants.
4. Encouraging corporations to keep jobs in the US.
5. Simplifying the financial structure of the government – why do we need a separate account for social security/Medicare when all the funds are commingled any way?

Can you point out the harm to America?

jca2's avatar

Because Trump’s audience can sit at rapt attention to listen to his every word says more to me about Trump’s audience than it says about Trump. Some people can listen to chamber music for hours on end, and some won’t listen for a minute. Some people may listen to Metallica for hours and other people wouldn’t listen for a minute.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 So typical of you. You are focused on the wrong end of the stick!

In any case, show me one video where the audience is hanging on to every word uttered by Biden.

Dutchess_III's avatar

“Hanging on to every word” a person says is symptomatic of b a cult of brain washed fools.

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III Have you ever been to a comedy club and seen a good stand-up comic? If so, were you one of a set “of brain washed fools”?

jca2's avatar

@crazyguy: I won’t only look at things the way you want them looked at. Good discourse looks at all sides.

Dutchess_III's avatar

You’re comparing our president to stand up comedy? Blinking.

Hamb's avatar

@crazyguy – The problem with comparing a Trump rally to a comedy act is that the audience is in on the joke during a comedy show.

Dutchess_III's avatar

They PLAN to be funny. That’s their job.
Trump just blathers. The more he spews hatred and intolerance, the louder the deplorables cheer.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

He did, during the Democratic Primary.

No response about the supposed Biden rallies. As usual.

Why do they lie about things that are easily disproven?

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III Yes, as a matter of fact. A political rally is boring if all you hear are the same old positions repeated ad infinitum.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He’s not boring. He’s insane and stupid.

And I’m waiting for the proof that Biden doesn’t draw crowds.

crazyguy's avatar

@Hamb The Democrats will never be in on the joke because they are the joke.

Hamb's avatar

^ Damn, dude. That was epic. I can’t imagine how the Democrats are going to recover from this old-timey roast.

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III If you believe Biden has ever drawn a crowd over 10,000 you must be smoking something I would love to get a whiff of!

Here is one article I found:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dont-let-crowd-sizes-mislead-you/

Mind you this article does not give any numbers for Biden’s rallies, except to say they are smaller.

crazyguy's avatar

@Hamb Thanks you if you meant that as a complement. Otherwise, whatever!

Hamb's avatar

@crazyguy: “Otherwise, whatever!”

Dutchess_III's avatar

From your own link crazyhuy.
While the ability to generate big crowds is certainly nice — it may signal enthusiasm among highly engaged voters or produce favorable media coverage — you should ignore any candidate, surrogate or media outlet that tells you that large crowd sizes mean that the polls are underestimating a candidate’s support. It’s just spin; polls are much more accurate at forecasting elections than crowd-size estimates, which don’t tell us all that much.

Can you understand what that means?

crazyguy's avatar

@Zaku @Call_Me_Jay I looked at
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/new-york-house-results

That link still shows four House races uncalled in NY.

crazyguy's avatar

@Irukandji I assume when the results give a number for percentage reporting, all ballots are included. However, if you are correct, that just points out potential problems with mail-in balloting. If any of these races do not go as currently forecast, you can well imagine the outcry that will erupt.

And, please give me a link for where Biden has recently said that he opposes Supreme Court packing.

crazyguy's avatar

@jca2 Can you imagine any Presidential candidate winning the popular vote without winning at least one of NY and CA? And can you ever imagine any Republican winning either of those two states?

So, do you understand that what you would be happy with would be a one-party country?

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III I certainly understand; that is not the subject of our discussion here – can you understand that? The subject as I understand it is: Are Trump rallies more interesting than Biden’s?

Dutchess_III's avatar

No it’s not. It’s “Why are House races (primarily in NY) still dragging FOUR WEEKS after the election?
For some reason you wanted to turn it into SIZE. From the link you posted to prove your point I pulled out the proof that size does not matter.

Call_Me_Jay's avatar

@crazyguy You got those stories about Biden rallies during the pandemic? You’ve had a couple of days to find them.

crazyguy's avatar

@Dutchess_III I think you are a reasonable person. Therefore I’ll invest a little time recapping our discussion.

Yes, the initial question was about the House races (primarily in NY). Your answer, which I still have a hard time relating to, was:

“The election is done. It’s over. Deal with it.”

@gondwanalon then interjected: “Democrats never got over the 2016 election.”

To which you responded:

“When it finally sunk in that we had elected a petulant, special needs, diaper wearing toddler, nobody with any brains got over it, as he went around making a fool of the whole country.
Did you approve of his behavior, @gondwanalon? Apparently many Republicans did and I will never, ever understand that.
Did you know that, according to trump, Obama is beating Biden in swing states? And swing states are very, very important states?
AND THERE ARE REPUBLICANS WHO WANTED 4 MORE YEARS OF HIS INSANE BABBLING! Are you one of them?”

It was then that the discussion veered away off-topic.

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