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Can Trump get a fair trial?

Asked by Jeruba (55829points) October 28th, 2022

Here’s a chilling thought that’s recently come to plague me: seating jurors for any trial of Trump.

Despite what the columnists and commentators say about unlikelihood, many of us have a powerful yearning to watch the disgraced former president do the perp walk. We long to see him charged and convicted. We’d frame an autographed portrait of him behind bars. We want him charged, convicted, and incarcerated on as many counts as possible. We want to see a sentence of a thousand years.

BUT.

Trial = accused + charges + prosecutors + defense + witnesses + judge and jury.

Consider the jury.

Jurors are being selected for the Trump Organization tax trial. Some are failing to meet the “unbiased” standard. Some have already been dismissed because they acknowledged their bias against Trump. One simply said, “I hate Trump.”

If those many potential cases come to trial and the Trump-haters are excused for honestly announcing their bias, who’s left?

Right. Trump-lovers who don’t mind lying to get empaneled.

So who’s going to convict him of all those crimes that we know he committed? A jury box full of people who haven’t already convicted him in their minds?

How is any trial of Donald Trump going to be fair?

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Nomore_Tantrums's avatar

His problem. I want him to get as fair a trial as his fan club was willing to give Pelosi with that hammer, or Pence when they erected that gallows on the Capitol grounds. Turn about is fair play.

Jeruba's avatar

@Nomore_Tantrums, my question is, if the anti-Trumps are honest about their bias, and get disqualified, and the Trumpers lie and say they’re not biased, won’t he automatically be acquitted by dishonest jurors?

No matter what kind of case is made, in the end it’s still up to the jury.

Nomore_Tantrums's avatar

I’m afraid so. But would prefer not to think about it. He’s a national nightmare. And his cult is beyond comprehension.

JLeslie's avatar

There will be people out there who don’t give a damn about politics, who barely tune into politics, and they will be clueless about a lot of what happened over the last six years.

There are also New Yorkers who barely pay attention to who Trump is as a businessman or TV personality.

I figure it’s nearly impossible to get a whole jury fitting that description, but maybe two people will fit that bill, or come close, out of the all of the jurors who have to show up to the selection process.

seawulf575's avatar

Nope, he couldn’t get a fair trial. Another aspect of the jury you are forgetting is the 24/7 “hate Trump” media that has been going on for years now. That influences people and could easily discredit them as potential jurors.

To get a fair/unbiased jury, you’d likely have to get people that live off grid like the Amish…those that aren’t blitzed with planted opinions.

janbb's avatar

@seawulf575 To be fair though, other people have been blitzed by the “love Trump” media for years. I think everyone picks their own poison.

Any criminal of notoriety faces this problem when coming to trial but yes, it is even more so in Trump’s case.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I agree with @janbb you also have the Trump lovers that could actually see him shoot someone and still think he was innocent, it will be difficult to find neutral people for a jury.

flutherother's avatar

I’m more confident of finding 12 Americans who will judge Trump fairly than of Americans agreeing that their judgment was fair. Trump and his ego are bigger than any courtroom. He will play to the audience beyond the sober environment of the court. This is the audience that Trump thinks matters and he is probably right. Nevertheless the court and the jurors have their jobs to do and not only the eyes of America but the eyes of the world and of history will be upon them.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I think soon it will be multiple trials.

smudges's avatar

Well, please don’t judge me for saying this, but I wouldn’t mind if a couple of trump haters say they have no bias and make it to the jury. The only reason I say that is out of fear. Fear that he won’t get what’s coming to him. Fear that the justice system will let us down. Fear that those who have the power to put him in prison won’t have the balls to.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@smudges If there’s legit proof in a court of law, I’d hope we all get honest justice. I’d prefer no liars because mistrials deny justice in a timely fashion.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I agree @KNOWITALL but the uber rich have a way circumventing justice.
I don’t think he can beat the tax thing in New York,but knowing the Don Father he will delay it as long as he possibly can.
It will be interesting to see how the document scandal plays out, now he claims they were his all along and he wants them back .
I wonder how he will beat the Georgia vote thing after that was taped and played for the world to hear.

HP's avatar

Define turpitude. Is it in the society’s interest to sanction bias against turpitude? If the very precise, and in fact EXACT definition of turpitude is on trial, must a jury be empaneled free of all bias against wilful, flagrant and determined infliction of egregious, destructive CRIMINAL conduct upon said society? It is insulting to proclaim that a man with the PROVEN character of sewage cannot receive a fair trial if no juror can be found who does not find raw sewage repugnant.

smudges's avatar

@KNOWITALL If there’s legit proof in a court of law, I’d hope we all get honest justice.

By all means, I’d prefer honest justice. But we’ve all seen over and over and over again that justice can be bought, lawyers are dishonest, D.A’s charge who they want to and make deals with others, buddies go to lunch and decide a human being’s fate over martinis and lobster, etc. I absolutely don’t agree with any of that and it makes me furious. But in this, of all cases ever, I want to see justice and fear that I won’t.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@smudges I get your point, but we’ve seen so many shitty people not receive justice, I’m not hyper-focused on Trump more than others. Par for the course.

RocketGuy's avatar

“fair” as in equal protection under the law – yes. “fair” as in favorable to him – no.

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