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What percentage of the San Francisco Chinese community speaks Mandarin as opposed to Cantonese?

Asked by occ (4176points) November 14th, 2007

Just curious if the language I am overhearing is likely to be Mandarin or Cantonese. I have heard the two dialects are really different enough to be considered different languages. I“m not sure which is more common in San Francisco.

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bpeoples's avatar

My understanding has always been that Chinatown in SF is generally Mandarin and the Chinatown in Oakland is generally Cantonese. I recently found out that there is a large Cantonese population in SF, but not in Chinatown.

Then again, I don’t have terribly much to back this up, and the language spoken in SF is always too fast for me to pick out the features I know are one or another.

The cool thing with the Chinese language is that the written language is unified throughout all the dialects, but the way those characters are pronounced varies regionally. Some of it is minor differences (similar to the Boston or Southern accents in the US), but the major regional shifts (Mandarin and Cantonese being the two most commonly spoken in the US) are enough that speakers cannnot understand each other.

sharl's avatar

Though written chinese is a single language as bpeoples correctly says, there are two forms of characters: Traditional and Simplified. Cantonese speakers (such as the bulk of people in Hong Kong) use the Traditional, while Mandarin is more frequently in Simplified form.

MissAnthrope's avatar

I am from San Francisco, so I got curious about your question and decided to do some research. It wasn’t easy finding statistics on this level.. the government doesn’t differentiate Chinese languages on the census. This article is a little dated (2003) but it can give you a general idea, I think.
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Chinese communities shifting to Mandarin

A gradual shift from Cantonese, a dialect spoken in southern China, to China’s official language of Mandarin, has been taking place in America’s Chinese communities. These days, Mandarin’s growing influence can be heard even in San Francisco’s Chinatown, long a bastion of Cantonese speakers.

“Now, nobody pays attention because it’s so common,” said Pak, a longtime Chinatown activist and consultant for the Chinese Chamber of Commerce who speaks both languages. Though Cantonese remains Chinatown’s primary tongue, many shopkeepers speak at least a few words of Mandarin.

Statistics document the shifting landscape: A 1986 consumer survey found almost 70 percent of Chinese households in the San Francisco area spoke Cantonese; 19 percent spoke Mandarin. A survey last year showed the divide narrowing to 53 percent Cantonese and 47 percent Mandarin, according to a study for KTSF, a television station that devotes most of its programming to Asian-language shows.

smartboy's avatar

I work in San Francisco, and I can say the language spoken overwhelmingly by the Chinese community is Cantonese. One writer spoke of Chinatown, to refer to where the Chinese live, but they have largely moved to other areas of San Francisco.

I am familiar with the statistics of the local Food Stamp program, where each applicant self-identifies a primary language. At the last reckoning, there were 2,246 cases that selected Cantonese as their primary language, and just 157 selected Mandarin. Of the intakes done in June for new applicants, 117 identified as Cantonese and only 11 as Mandarin. There is no reason to suppose that language profile of the population receiving Food Stamps is any different from the rest of the population.

This all may seem counter-intuitive, considering that Mandarin has long been China’s official language. Guangdong, where Cantonese is spoken, is the most populous province in China, when you add in the long-term migrants to the province. Neighboring Hong Kong also consists of Cantonese speakers. Guangdong is on the seacoast, and, partly for that reason, has long been a prime source of immigration abroad.

smmrsvr's avatar

It looks like 75% of the SF Chinese speak Cantonese at home, as per SFUD: https://wdaes-sfusd-ca.schoolloop.com/whyfirst

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