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ducky_dnl's avatar

Why do pro gay marriage people see people that are Anti Gay Marriage as ignorant?

Asked by ducky_dnl (5371 points ) February 14th, 2010

I myself am a Christian. And in being a Christian I don’t support gay marriage one bit. Why do pro gay marriage people think Anti-gay marriage people are “ignorant,” and or brand us “gay?”

I’m not gay. I just don’t see it as something that should be legalized. I mean think about it. If we grant gay marriage, then why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing. Once you open a door for one thing, you have to let all things in. I mean the man that wants to have sex with the three year old needs his rights too, right? Or what about a mom that wants to have kids with her son? Does anyone see what I am aiming at??

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Blondesjon's avatar

Gay marriage is a marriage between two ADULT homosexuals. Anyone who likens it to any other kind of deviance is probably the same type of idiot that believes that AIDS came from somebody fucking a monkey.

It’s a big planet. Grow up.

Cruiser's avatar

I am not not Christian, I am not gay…I am conscious and do not see what you see as far as this conflict of mores. What ever happened to live and let live???

lilikoi's avatar

Because it is exactly like racism.

Your logic is totally flawed. Having sex with three year olds is absolutely nothing like two consensual adults entering into a legal contract (marriage). Neither is incense. No, I don’t see what you’re aiming at.

Rarebear's avatar

Because there is no difference between banning marriage between two people of the same gender and banning marriage between people of different races.

ragingloli's avatar

The Vulcan Science directorate has determined that you are a troll.
Furthermore, your “arguments”, if they can be called that, are the same ones Christians used to oppose interracial marriage. They are also ludicrous. Homosexual sex is intercourse between two consenting adults which can not be compared to an adult having sex with a child, which can not lawfully consent to intercourse. By your twisted thinking, the very act of gay sex should be a crime and I resent this sort of thinking as highly reprehensible.

LeotCol's avatar

You are not looking at this correctly. You cannot compare homosexuality with paedophilia. Homosexuality = Two people of comparible intelligence and maturity engaging in a relationship.

Paedophilia = One person who should know a hell of a lot more and a child that doesn’t understand.

You can’t compare the two, as one is just a mutual relationship, the other is a crime no matter what the law

jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities's avatar

then why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing.

Pedophilia is not akin to homosexuality.

And you wonder why people think you are ignorant.

MrItty's avatar

You ask why you’re considered ignorant, and in the next breath you equate two loving consensual ADULTS with a three year old.

IRONY.

lilikoi's avatar

@ragingloli I’m humored that his question is about ignorance.

wilma's avatar

My guess would be that this is someone who is trying to make Christians look really bad. The Christians that I know would never say what @ducky_dnl has said.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

If we allow our children to do chores, then we should allow slavery, right? I mean, it’s the same thing. Once you open a door for one thing, you have to let all things in. The child doesn’t necessarily want to do chores, but the parents make them anyway, and that’s basically the same thing as slavery, right? Does anyone see what I’m aiming at?

Rarebear's avatar

@DrasticDreamer No, I don’t know what you’re aiming at.

jrpowell's avatar

FACEPALM

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@Rarebear I really hope you know my answer was completely sarcastic… :P

Rarebear's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Oh, okay. I’ve been taught that a sarcastic remark should be followed by a tilde. I learned that the hard way.

Captain_Fantasy's avatar

Thinly masked hate speech eh? Lovely.

The whole “gay marriage = pedophilia, beastiality, polygamy” idea is why people think that anti-gay marriage people are so ignorant.

Are you afraid that legalizing gay marriage somehow makes you gay?

Or are you just trolling? Either way, I still can’t help but feel that chastising you has been an utter waste of my time.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@Rarebear Considering I phrased my answer in a very similar way as the asker of the question, and that the logic in my sarcastic remark can’t be found, is exactly what makes it sarcastic…

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ducky_dnl's avatar

I’m not a liberal, but I seem to be more understanding than most of the people that answered. I don’t care if people are gay, just why do they have to be married? I have 3 good gay friends and don’t think any less of them btw.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@jeffgoldblumsprivatefacilities Deposits $.25

In all honesty, I hate that liberal european mentality. It makes me sick. It makes me want to gag. We should abandon all order in favor of “rights” for this one small minority. They don’t need to be married… Just give them civil union or wtf it is so they can just stfu and be happy.

Conform or die…

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@ducky_dnl Why shouldn’t they be married? Marriage is not strictly a Christian tradition, so why the hell should gay people have to adhere to your beliefs?

ducky_dnl's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Are you gay? I see more non-gay people fighting for the rights of gays. I guess you’re trying to prove something too.

Sarcasm's avatar

….
They’re consenting adults who don’t enjoy the same legal benefits as other consenting adults.

I don’t understand how you can not understand that and simultaneously pretend that you’re not ignorant.

Fuck. We may as well go really traditional with marriage.
From here on out, any wife shall be legal property of her husband. If she is not a virgin on the wedding night, she is to be put to death.
ah, isn’t love grand?

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essieness's avatar

My head is exploding after reading your question. I’m going to do you and everyone else a favor and keep my mouth shut on this one.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@ducky_dnl No, I’m not gay. I believe in equality. What I’m trying to prove is that gay people are human and deserve just as many rights as you do. I’m not black either, but do I need to be in order to think that racism is wrong? You have very odd logic.

dpworkin's avatar

You answered your own question with your own ignorant analysis. It is ignorant to compare the biological condition of homosexuality with the criminal condition of pedophilia. It is ignorant to impose your minority religious views on the majority of people. It is ignorant to assume that your coreligionists share your views when there are such phenomena as Episcopalian Bishops who are Gay. It is ignorant to conflate a state of civil affairs with a state of religious affairs. It is ignorant to be a homophobe in the 21st Century. Now you know why we think you are ignorant. Do you see what I’m aiming at?

chyna's avatar

Why do pro gay marriage people think Anti-gay marriage people are “ignorant,” and or brand us “gay?” Did you read what you wrote? Pro gay marriage brand you as “gay”?
I don’t think you are gay, just ignorant when you correlate gay marriage with molesting children.

ducky_dnl's avatar

To EVERY PERSON: Bad mouth me all you want. I have my beliefs and you have yours.

Sarcasm's avatar

If we grant gay marriage, then why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing. Once you open a door for one thing, you have to let all things in
Tell me, do you also think that women shouldn’t have the right to vote?
Do you think Blacks should not be considered people?

FlutherNOW's avatar

I support you all the way ducky_dnl. Someone else lurve this guy. He’s the only one who makes sense.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@ducky_dnl You asked why people thought you were ignorant, and we answered. We gave you exactly what you wanted.

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dpworkin's avatar

@ducky_dnl Refute me point by point, and demonstrate that you are not ignorant.

jonsblond's avatar

@ducky_dnl My lesbian sister is going to Iowa in a month to marry her SO. Would you like me to send pictures?

Shae's avatar

The fact that you think two adults having consenting sex is the same as an adult raping a child is why we find you ignorant. Its just that simple.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@ducky_dnl Stop trying to fight them… Just quit while your behind. They are all stuck in their hippie beliefs of anything goes. It is like arguing to a brick wall. You will never win. They just use the same point over and over “They are people too.” “They are consenting adults entilted to what we are entilted to.” No they arent entitled to jack shit, until we (the majority) entitle them…

EmpressPixie's avatar

To refute the point that… someone made up there:

We can’t have separate civil unions for homosexual unions because the Supreme Court already ruled that separate is inherently not equal.

Rarebear's avatar

@DrasticDreamer Understood. My apologies.

Captain_Fantasy's avatar

I mean seriously? wtf?

Blondesjon's avatar

Wasn’t Ducky the quasi-gay kid from Pretty In Pink?

hmmm. . .

hopkinsju's avatar

Oh this is just brilliant!

@ducky_dnl ”...why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing.” followed later in a comment by “I have 3 good gay friends and don’t think any less of them btw.”

How awesome. So then the question is, how many “good pedo friends” do you have that you don’t think any less of?

I can’t believe that after just finding this site (via the fluid app site) that this is the discussion I stumble upon. Hilarious.

lilikoi's avatar

@ducky_dnl I would like to respectfully point out that you asked us to challenge your beliefs and to debate your logic (or lack thereof). I, and @dpworkin (based on his post) (and perhaps many others), are open to debating this with you, but you have not provided any compelling arguments that support your position. Why not consider ours?

tragiclikebowie's avatar

Excuse me?

First of all, two consenting adults who love each other and want to express that in terms of commitment should be able to get married, regardless of their sexual orientation. Homosexuality isn’t something new. It has been around just as long as heterosexuality.

Secondly, no one owns marriage. It is not a strictly Christian tradition, and even if it were it does not matter. Sodom wasn’t burned because they were practicing sodomy, they were burned because they were inhospitable. The term sodomy was invented by monks during the middle ages. The scripture passage that calls a man laying with another man an “abomination” is a product of poor translation. It is meant to be unclean. Just as it says in the same book (Leviticus) that wearing clothes of more than one fabric is an abomination. However, marriage should be treated as a secular issue. It is not a matter of religious beliefs, it is a matter of civil rights.

Thirdly, you are a pretty poor Christian if you believe that other people should be forbidden from being married simply because they don’t share your sexual orientation. Treating your neighbor as you would treat yourself comes to mind. And Jesus defined “neighbor” as everyone.

Lastly, it is Unconstitutional to not allow homoesexuals to marry. Whether you like it or not, separation of church and state exists and it will be enforced.

Blondesjon's avatar

@FlutherNOW . . . Dude, the whole “angry white guy” thing played out back in ‘96.

aprilsimnel's avatar

Your argument, @ducky_dnl is a classic slippery slope.

That’d be like someone saying, “Hey, we eat cows! We’re allowed to eat cows! Why can’t we eat people? People are made out of meat, too!” People indeed are meat, yet the vast majority of us manage not to eat other people.

If adult homosexuals were allowed to marry, it doesn’t logically follow that an adult would be allowed to marry a child. Gay adults are adults, ergo, people who can give consent and make decisions of their own free will. A child doesn’t have that capability.

ducky_dnl's avatar

Listen to yourselves. You are being very close minded and you don’t even see it. You’re not accepting my beliefs. SHAME SHAME!!

ChocolateReigns's avatar

@all I do agree with you guys that @ducky_dnl‘s logic is strange. I’m against gay marriage for other reasons.

lilikoi's avatar

@ducky_dnl What reason have you given us to accept your beliefs? We can be tolerant of them, and we are, but I see no reason – let alone a good reason – to accept your beliefs as truth.

MrItty's avatar

@ducky_dnl Our beliefs have no impact on anyone but ourselves. Your beliefs, when codified into law, impact others. See the difference?

ragingloli's avatar

Why marriage? Because marriage entails important civil rights, like the right to file joint taxes, inhertitance, the right to make decisions for your partner regarding medical procedures, visiting rights in hospital, etc.
No they arent entitled to jack shit, until we (the majority) entitle them” I am sure the all the black people who won their rights from legislators and courts because the majority would not grant them equality will be happy to hear that.

GingerMinx's avatar

Ducky you are totally allowed your beliefs and I defend your right to them, if you wish to be ignorant why should it bother me?

FlutherNOW's avatar

Allowing gay marriage would mean we ACCEPT homosexuality as NORMAL.

Why do we want to normalize such behavior? That means MORE of them will be coming out, and soon it will be public ally acceptable to be gay. Would you want to see two men holding hands wherever you go? Making out in front of your kids? Fucking weird.

lilikoi's avatar

@FlutherNOW It doesn’t bother me. Allowing gay marriage would mean we uphold that all citizens should have equal rights and be treated equally. Allowing gay marriage would mean that we collectively finally understand that gays are people, too.

CyanoticWasp's avatar

Asked and answered.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@FlutherNOW I wouldn’t mind at all, either. To teach my children that love is a good, powerful, empowering, positive thing – that every person can experience?! You’re right! That’s so dangerous and gross! Ewww!

dpworkin's avatar

The question is not whether you are entitled to your beliefs. The question is whether or not your beliefs are ignorant. That is your own question that you asked. Now, demonstrate that they not ignorant, or admit that they are. Those are the two choices you set up for yourself. I’m still waiting for a reasoned point-by-point refutation. I am eager to hear your beliefs. Please express them.

jonsblond's avatar

@FlutherNOW Let’s normalize ignorance and hatred instead.~

jrpowell's avatar

This must be satire.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@jonsblond Yes, if thats what it takes, damn right.

Gay marriage has NEVER been accepted. Why should we start now? Because a few liberal asshats want it accepted?

ducky_dnl's avatar

@dpworkin I would, but as @FlutherNow said.. “It would be like trying to fight with a brick wall.”

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@FlutherNOW Never been accepted? Do you know ANYTHING about world history?

Blondesjon's avatar

@FlutherNOW . . . I would much prefer my kids see a couple of fellas holding hand than to be exposed to such blatant, outright ignorance.

I am now afraid that you may be the first carrier of a virulent strain of stupidity. Congratulations, you’ve created brain AIDS.

judochop's avatar

Any religion that does not support “love” between two people in the highest regard can kiss my white ass all day long.
Just because you go to church does not make you a good Christian anymore than standing in your garage makes you a car.
Your beliefs are some what dressed in that of what people thought about freeing the slaves.
If you are going to compare gay marriage to a 49 year old man having sex with a 3 year old I am not even going to dig deeper in to reasons why gay marriage should be allowed. I understand this is a good question and possibly you are trying really hard to open that thick ass skull of yours and use it for some good but…@ducky dnl, you are the reason as to why people think your side of the story is “ignorant.”

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW actually, it has. Welcome to the rest of the world.

Beyond that, prior to the previous century, interracial marriage had “NEVER been accepted” in this country. Why should it have started then?

FlutherNOW's avatar

@Mrltty

Because spanish women have such a nice ass….

And F*** the rest of the world. This is AMERICA. We never listened to the rest of the world.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW… “Spanish”... what? What the hell?

lilikoi's avatar

@FlutherNOW Oh, now liberals are asshats? Can conservatives be facethongs?

FlutherNOW's avatar

@MrItty You asked about interracial marriage..

dpworkin's avatar

@ducky_dnl That is simply not true. But if you refuse to defend your own stated beliefs, how do we know you even hold those beliefs? Perhaps you are just a troll after all. I am quite disappointed that you won’t give me an intelligent argument. I am forced to conclude that you have no idea how.

tinyfaery's avatar

This thread is so funny and so sad at the same time. I don’t know whether to laugh or be totally offended.

lilikoi's avatar

@ducky_dnl No one is trying to fight. This is a healthy discussion. State your views. Don’t cower behind a metaphorical wall.

Blondesjon's avatar

@tinyfaery . . . Laugh and the whole world laughs with you. Cry and you become an ignorant asshat like the ones above.

tinyfaery's avatar

I didn’t say cry, I said offended. I’d never waste tears on such ridiculousness.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Yes, I did. Explain to me what you think “Spanish” women’s asses have to do with interracial marriage.

dpworkin's avatar

Uh, “Spanish” is now a race?

tinyfaery's avatar

And last time I checked, Spanish people were white.

ducky_dnl's avatar

I have already stated my views. You just don’t seem to understand that you can’t open a door to one group without letting others in. First it’s gay marriage, then what’s next? Where do we draw the line? If you allow gay marriage, then who are you to deam pedophilia wrong?

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lilikoi's avatar

@ducky_dnl Why do you group pedophilia and gay marriage together as one and the same evil?

MrItty's avatar

@ducky_dnl Yes. You can open one door without opening to others. See also: EVERY FUCKING DOOR EVER OPENED.

You continue to equate two consensual adults with one adult and one child. And you continue to not understand how you’re ignorant.

wilma's avatar

LOL! I still say that @ducky_dnl is a wingnut troll just trying to make Christians look bad.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Wow. Where to begin. Let’s see:

* Spanish people are white. Have you even heard of Spain?
* What does fucking have to do with interracial marriage?
* Spanish is not a race. It’s a nationality.
* People are physically attractive or not. Their sexual preference has nothing to do with their aesthetics.

ragingloli's avatar

“Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.”

MrItty's avatar

@wilma I really, REALLY want to believe that. I’d like to believe that people this stupid don’t actually exist in the real world. .... I think I’m going to cling to that hope.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@MrItty

You know exactly what I mean. Spanish as in hispanic. Women from South America, Mexico, etc. Stop trying to be all technical when you KNOW what I mean.

How is that NOT interracial (I am a CAUCASIAN man, they are HISPANIC women)

wilma's avatar

@MrItty That’s what I’m clinging to.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Hispanic is not the same as Spanish. Welcome to the English language. And no, I really didn’t know that’s what you meant.

I still don’t understand how interracial marriage not being accepted would have anything to do with your ability to fuck a Hispanic woman.

jctennis123's avatar

Interesting convo. A lot of smart answers.

ducky_dnl's avatar

Let me make the liberal step and say that you have your beliefs and I have mine. I can at least respect your beliefs without cussing you out.

judochop's avatar

@ducky_dnl , yes you can open a door without letting everything behind it in. It’s quite possible and happens very often. If your head can’t wrap around this then how on earth will it ever wrap the ability to actually explain why you believe what you believe instead of blaming your religious believes.
Were you by any chance one of the characters in Jesus Camp?

MrItty's avatar

@ducky_dnl yes, but… your belief is backed by factually incorrect theorems. Demonstratively factually incorrect.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@MrItty Smaller words are probably necessary in this case.

efritz's avatar

@FlutherNOW – Spanish people live in Spain. Europe. Hi spanic people . . . don’t.

Wait, what are we talking about again? Oh . . . why waste time on such trollishness?

MrItty's avatar

@ducky_dnl P.S. Explain to me exactly where you “respected” anyone else’s beliefs here? Point to the exact posting in which that happened. I must have missed it.

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lilikoi's avatar

@FlutherNOW You are, unfortunately. Quench your ignorance; read this.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Uhm. You. You are equating fucking with marriage.

DrasticDreamer's avatar

@FlutherNOW You obviously can’t comprehend the fact that you don’t have to be married to someone in order to fuck them. You are ignorant, not @MrItty.

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FlutherNOW's avatar

If I feel spanish women have nice asses, I would like to fuck them AND marry them so I can keep it up.

If it was not accepted I could not marry and enjoy the nice ass. Thats what I meant

DrasticDreamer's avatar

I’m about to break down and laugh my ass off. This is just that stupid.

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FlutherNOW's avatar

I am going to leave this thread now. I am tired of all this.

ducky_dnl: 999999
Fluther: 0

GG Ducky!!!

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW “them”? Exactly how many women are you planning on fucking and marrying?

But hey, let’s pretend anything you’ve said has made sense. I’ll accept your original statement. I asked “why should interracial marriage have become accepted?” You answered, sort of, “because Spanish women have nice asses and I want to fuck them.

So don’t you see how that applies to gay marriage as well? Gay people are attracted to other gay people. They’d like to fuck and marry them. Therefore, gay marriage should be legal.

dpworkin's avatar

Valentine’s Fools! He was just kidding you guys! Look, you got all worked up over a prank!

wilma's avatar

Told ya! LOL!

chyna's avatar

This is beyond belief. I can’t even follow it any longer as the ignorance is just too ridiculous. From banning gay marriage to inter-racial? WTF?

wilma's avatar

Ignorance can be funny!

FlutherNOW's avatar

@MrItty

But you are missing the point. Fucking\marrying WOMEN (of any race) is NORMAL for a man. Gay is NOT normal, therefore love or not they should not marry. We are not obligated to accept them. Let them stay down as the minority trash they are…

Im leaving (Dont ban me please. This is just my oppinion. You may remove if it is too racist for fluther standards).

EDIT: YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN BY RACIST. There is no term for “gayist”, so I use the term “racist” You understand the point!!!

DrasticDreamer's avatar

Too racist? Um. My… Fucking… God.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW actually, loving a gay man is 100% normal for a gay man, just as loving a straight woman is 100% normal for a straight man.

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ragingloli's avatar

Fucking\marrying WOMEN (of any race) is NORMAL for a man
Not 100 years ago. Then the thought of a man having sexual relations with a woman of another race was considered deviant by the majority. You would have been a deviant. Then it was not normal. You would have been not normal. Your arguments are so thin and baseless they collapse on their own.

lilikoi's avatar

@FlutherNOW Who are you to say what is and is not normal?

jonsblond's avatar

@chyna Imagine if these two met an interracial gay couple. Their heads would explode!

Allie's avatar

[mod says:] Personal attacks are frowned upon. So stop. Thanks. Further attacks will be removed.

chyna's avatar

@jonsblond Really! That is too funny.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@lilikoi

Society does. A ideal, unbiased sample of size N becomes more representitive of the original population as a whole as N grows sufficently large.

Now I took no actual poll, but I KNOW with 99.99999% confidence that the sample will reflect that most people in America are heterosexual. Therefore heterosexuality is NORMAL (representitive of the population as a whole).

@ragingloli
I know, that is the whole point of what I was trying to say about interracial marriage. I am GLAD it is accepted now because I am now able to acceptably fuck spanish women.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW you can’t keep saying “I’m leaving now” and then posting again. Tease.

chyna's avatar

@FlutherNOW I feel sorry for the spanish women you are supposedly fucking.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@MrItty

I know I try so hard. The ignorance of the posters keeps sucking me back. I am going to pull my wifi card. I will NOT fluther until tomorrow!

Starting NOW

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Did you know that “most” (ie, greater than 50%) of the people in the world are women? Therefore, under your logic, you must either kill yourself or castrate yourself.

I anxiously await your decision.

lilikoi's avatar

@FlutherNOW There are more white people in American than any other race. Do you consider the other races “minority trash”, “not normal”, and therefore also unworthy of acceptance and equal treatment?

Dr_Lawrence's avatar

Engaging @ducky_dnl and @FlutherNOW in an intelligent and serious discussion of the difference between their views and those of intellligent, reasonable, and respectful individuals will see that, based on how their beliefs have been presented, they are not adequately prepared or equipped for such a discussion.

Those people who start from a position of hatred of others and who “know” they they hold the only “true” and “right” viewpoints, are unable and unwilling to participate in a reasoned or reasonable discussion.

rangerr's avatar

To EVERY PERSON: Bad mouth me all you want. I have my beliefs and you have yours.

TO:

Listen to yourselves. You are being very close minded and you don’t even see it. You’re not accepting my beliefs. SHAME SHAME!!”

We have our beliefs, you have yours. We get it. Don’t be a hypocrite.

Ivan's avatar

“Once you open a door for one thing, you have to let all things in.”

Logic at its finest.

ragingloli's avatar

@FlutherNOW
I know, that is the whole point of what I was trying to say about interracial marriage. I am GLAD it is accepted now because I am now able to acceptably fuck spanish women.

By your own logic, by which you oppose gay marriage, you would have to oppose interracial marriage as well.
The only reason you have given why you oppose one but not the other is because you like doing the other thing yourself.
Tell me, do you think interracial marriage is wrong and unnormal? Because according to what you have written, about how if the majority of people are heterosexual then it is normal, implying that the minority is abnormal, and considering that most couples are non-interracial couples, therefore interracial couples would be abnormal and, by your logic, wrong as well, you should think that it is wrong. But it seems you do not, which means you only apply your definition of what is wrong to things that you do not like, which is shallow and hypocritical to the extreme.

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Symbeline's avatar

Say what? Being gay isn’t pedophilia, nor is it solely about sex. If that’s what you really think it is, then no wonder people think you’re ignorant.
They’re two different things, and I can counter it with this; so, since being heterosexual is good, does it mean that me, a 27 year old woman, should be able to have sex with a nine year old boy?

Essentially that’s what your logic is saying.
Lame. This isn’t ancient Rome dude.

Generally though, all this anti gay shit stems from a morality that’s more than a few decades old and dead by now when it comes to modern society and its standards, that’s why I tend to think it’s typically ignorant when I see it. It refuses advancement and mocks logic. A remnant of the dark ages haha. Sad to see it still exists. But I’m glad state and church are separated. There’s progress somewhere.

I say generally. I’ve spoken with a KKK member who had more intelligent and elaborate things to say than what your comprehension of homosexuality indicates.

Dr_Dredd's avatar

@FlutherNOW says: “No they arent entitled to jack shit, until we (the majority) entitle them…”

Congrats, you’ve managed to mangle American history, too. “We hold these truths to be SELF-EVIDENT, that all men are created equal.” Nowhere does it say, “All men are created equal only if a majority says so.”

Furthermore, the Declaration of Independence goes on to say: ”...that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights…” Again, no mention of majority rule, there.

liminal's avatar

@ChocolateReigns I am curious to hear your reasoning.

CyanoticWasp's avatar

I’m against gay marriage… because I’m not going to be a party to one. I’m also not eating any parsnips. But I think anyone who does want one should have it, with my blessing. (The same goes for parsnips.)

ChocolateReigns's avatar

@liminal Do you want the whole schpiel about why I’m a Christian, or just why I’m against gay marriage?

Rarebear's avatar

@Dr_Dredd Let’s not forget the Equal Protection Clause ”“no state shall… deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws”.”

liminal's avatar

@ChocolateReigns I’ll let you decide the best approach for your view :)

Shae's avatar

Anyone’s religious belief should have zip zero to do with the laws of the United States of America. I am a Christian and I believe in love. Until all the hypocrites who vomit up one passage or another from the Bible start living completely without sin, they should STFU.

Politics in the House of God is no better than money changing.

ChocolateReigns's avatar

@liminal I’m so sorry, but I have to get to bed now…I hope you don’t think I’m backing down from a discussion. If I could, I would give you as long of a explanation as I could come up with. If I have time tomorrow or in the next few days I’ll try to do that.

liminal's avatar

@ChocolateReigns that makes sense. I look forward to reading.

TooBlue's avatar

Successful troll. Everyone should have just left the question with no answers just to let the utterly ridiculousness of the question speak for itself, but you all kept feeding it. Which is EXACTLY what troll wants.

TooBlue's avatar

Double post sorry.

laureth's avatar

Okay, normally I would be all over this train wreck like white on rice, but I’m just not in the mood to spend the energy on it. Instead, I’ll make one point and go.

@ducky_dnl – you say, “I have already stated my views. You just don’t seem to understand that you can’t open a door to one group without letting others in. First it’s gay marriage, then what’s next? Where do we draw the line? If you allow gay marriage, then who are you to deam pedophilia wrong?”

You’re right. Following your logic, we ought not to allow men and women to marry at all! Because if we allow heterosexuals to marry, we’ll have to let gays marry, because you can’t open the door to the first group without letting the others in. Ergo, we should demolish marriage entirely in order to defend it, just as if it were a Vietnamese village.

Okay, I’ve had my say. Now I’m going to go spend a happy Valentine’s evening with my legally married spouse, if you know what I mean. It’s a shame that so many of my friends can’t say that, even though their love and commitment is as real as mine.

iRemy_y's avatar

You are no better then a terrorist, if you need me to i can explain my logic

breedmitch's avatar

removes fork from eye to say
So many Christians. So few lions.

augustlan's avatar

[mod says] Personal attack removed from a long and otherwise good answer above, via internal editing.

davidbetterman's avatar

Mostly because Anti Gay Marriage people are ignorant.

mattbrowne's avatar

Trying to establish significant correlation between Christianity in general and gay marriage opposition does ring hollow and might be a result of out-group homogeneity bias. If you look at the worldwide situation here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_legislation_around_the_world

you will find that countries that have established same-sex unions or marriages or have put effort in establishing them are all predominantly Christian, for example Belgium, Canada, Netherlands, Norway, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Germany, Iceland, Ecuador.

In contrast you will find examples like China which recognizes neither same-sex marriage nor same-sex civil unions. Same in India. In countries like Iran, Sudan or Saudi-Arabia you get killed for even being gay.

I’m not gay. I’m a Christian. I appreciate gay people. I support gay marriage. I fight discrimination against gays. Homophobia is indeed related to ignorance. But there’s a difference when people just have an uneasy feeling about a broader scope of marriage. Some support civil unions but not marriage. I think it’s a bit ignorant to call such an opinion ignorant. It’s not the same as pervasive homophobia.

dpworkin's avatar

Is that what you think happened here, @mattbrowne ? The OP had an “uneasy feeling”? Time for a visit to the ophthalmologist. The OP is an unrepentant homophobe, and so is his sole (other than you) supporter.

mattbrowne's avatar

There are people with uneasy feelings who also suffer from pervasive homophobia and there are people with uneasy feelings who do not suffer from pervasive homophobia. Just because there are two people in this thread who both fall into the first category doesn’t mean it’s a general rule. My point is, we should be careful with the ignorance label. And with generalizations like Christians are homophobic. Or strict grammar teachers are nazis. We should show moderation in our choice of words.

thriftymaid's avatar

When a large group of people band together for a cause, the idea that a different opinion is relevant is lost. It’s a mob mentality. It simply becomes one sided as far as they concerned.

TheJoker's avatar

Heh, you answered your own question perfectly…“I mean think about it. If we grant gay marriage, then why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing.”

lonelydragon's avatar

ducky,

OK, I’m going to replace one term in your earlier statement: “I don’t care if people are straight, just why do they have to be married? I have 3 good straight friends and don’t think any less of them btw.”

How would you feel if that’s what your gay friends thought about you? If you truly didn’t think less of them, you’d say that they should have equal access to marriage, just like yourself. Unlike pedophilia, homosexual relationships don’t hurt anyone.

Sophief's avatar

I think people should be entitled to marry who they like. My best friends are gay, and they are great people, they have been together 10 years and couldn’t be happier. They would like to get married, and last time I heard from them they were looking to go abroad to marry. I don’t agree with your statement, but that is your opinion and unlike most people, I won’t slate you for it.

FlutherNOW's avatar

@mattbrowne

Thanks for finding that map. You have proved that most of the world does NOT support homosexual MARRIAGE (unions maybe, but marriage no). The only other countrys that do are Canada, South Africa, and a few Eurotrash. Canada is insignifigant to what I think.

Is the entire world ignorant??

Broken_Arrow's avatar

Because they are – ignorant that is.

Dr_Dredd's avatar

@Rarebear True enough.

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW “Canada is insignificant to what I think”. Right, they’re only the 2nd largest country in the world. What do they matter?

Clearly, we should be emulating countries like Iraq and Iran. Because they’re the world’s role models.

jonsblond's avatar

@FlutherNOW Sure, many people don’t support homosexual marriage. I know many people that don’t. The difference between you and them is that they have respect for their fellow human beings. What is ignorant is statements like this: ”Let them stay down as the minority trash they are…”. You can have a difference of opinion, but to call someone trash because they think differently is ignorant. imo

FlutherNOW's avatar

@MrItty

Ya largest per unit area of land. Big woop. The damn Saudi’s (a really ass-backwards country) have more political influence then them. It’s cold as hell there and most of Canada’s population lives wirhin 100 miles of the US anyway. Without US, Canada would be NOTHING. We run the damn world. All they are good for is maple syrup and bacon… litterly. (and NO, we dont NEED their oil)

MrItty's avatar

@FlutherNOW Yes, and once again, it’s obvious you believe we should be looking up to the Saudi’s for our morals and laws.

ragingloli's avatar

@FlutherNOW
We run the damn world
More like “ruin”.

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dpworkin's avatar

Is this lofty discussion losing its dignity?

chyna's avatar

It’s definitely off topic now.

CyanoticWasp's avatar

@dpworkin don’t forget the tilde to denote sarcasm. And the double tilde to denote extreme sarcasm.

We need to prevent people from being Christians, obviously, because then some of them want to devolve into totally nonsensical beliefs.~~ That’s fair, isn’t it?

tinyfaery's avatar

America…fuck yeah!~

Symbeline's avatar

Bacon beer and maple syrup; own.

mattbrowne's avatar

@FlutherNOW – You said, Canada, South Africa, and a few Eurotrash. Excuse me?

To me the term Eurotrash is incredibly insulting and subtly racist. I recommend you apologize and stick to the Fluther guidelines in the future. There is no place for this kind of debate on Fluther.

CyanoticWasp's avatar

@mattbrowne I’m sure that it’s deliberately intended to be provocatively insulting. I don’t know what the Fluther guidelines are about closing accounts peremptorily, but @FlutherNOW seems at times—more often than not, in fact—to be testing the bounds of acceptable conduct.

augustlan's avatar

To all: @FlutherNOW has left the building.

Blondesjon's avatar

@augustlan . . . awww. . . he generated more lurve than a 10k/20k thread.

tinyfaery's avatar

Good riddance.

Silhouette's avatar

I’m going to go out on a limb here and say it’s this kind of statement “If we grant gay marriage, then why don’t we let a 49 year old guy have sex with a three year old? It’s the same thing.” that makes others think the argument against is ignorant.

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