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Threatening Business Partner?

Asked by Ali87 (13points) October 5th, 2016 from iPhone

My partner took an investment 90% of which went to expenses like rent and all which i wasnt told of . 10% of it went on building the ecommerce store which was my call but we ended up wasting money and a lot of time and couldnt develop it . Now we have hired a 3rd party which has developed it . I want out now but my partner is not willing to let me go because i am the technical person . reasons for me going out is that my partner has threatened me twice , once he said he keeps a gun in his car and is very pushy . he says he lost his credibilty and all n cant let me go at this point and is pushimy and still keeps on asking me to do this and that work . there is no paperwork involved . i have tried explaning him but he is not willing to listen and i am under a lot of stress because of him . he is from an influential family . what should i do ?

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Coloma's avatar

In this order.

1. Alert the local authorities of your concerns/ his potential “threats”.
2. Consult an attorney asap.
3. Tell your partner you quit and that you have alerted the authorities and contacted a lawyer and to not make contact with you from this point forward or there will be legal issues.
4. Without paperwork if you have any money invested you are going to be out of luck and just have to cut your losses and chalk to up to experience.

If this person starts harassing you change your contact info. like phone number/email etc. and document any and all harassment to show the authorities and your attorney.

Espiritus_Corvus's avatar

Are you two carrying any life insurance policies on each other through the business? If so, he has motive beyond just getting angry. It’s time for you to extricate yourself and be sure to take with you what is rightfully yours. GTFO now. Cut your losses and get on with your life.

CWOTUS's avatar

Welcome to Fluther!

What you’re describing is not a “partnership” – and probably never was – but some kind of hostage situation.

@Coloma‘s prioritized advice is spot on, and @Espiritus_Corvus’ advice for “moving out and getting on with your life” is no less apt.

You need to find a way to alert others to the dangers inherent in this situation – and afterward to alert the “partner” that the others have been put on notice, which helps to protect you in the short term, but doesn’t actually resolve anything. At least that lets others know that you are under some threat, and puts him on notice that others are watching out for you with respect to your dealings with him, which may stop him from acting precipitously. At least for now.

In this sense especially @Espiritus_Corvus has great advice if you do have overlapping insurance policies. (I doubt that you do, because frankly you do not seem to have been sophisticated enough to have set that up. Really, a partnership with “no paperwork”? What were you thinking?) However, if you do have a life insurance policy that pays “the partnership” if anything happens to you, then you need to cancel that insurance policy fast. If you threaten to leave and the policy is still active, then you become more valuable to your partner as a corpse than as a slave.

Since you talk of being “told to do things”, then you have to realize that you do not have a partnership in anything but name. You are an employee at best, but more likely a slave.

By all means contact an attorney if your financial investment warrants an attempt to recoup some of your investment, but it’s your judgment whether that’s worth pursuing or not. Again, considering a partnership with “no paperwork”, that’s also a long shot. I doubt if an attorney can really be very effective for you at this point except as a go-between so that you don’t have to confront your “partner” face-to-face any more. In that sense, the attorney will end up costing you money each time you use his services, and you should not expect to recover any cash or equity from whatever you put up, but at least it might prevent you from being assaulted or worse. So the attorney is probably a good idea, whether or not you expect to make any financial recovery.

And then get away from that person, stay away from him, don’t talk about him (because that will get back to him and put you back on his radar, especially if he loses money or reputation in this venture), and consider all of your lessons learned from this endeavor. The first lesson should be that you never partner with anyone that you can’t trust fully and completely – and even then you can be burned.

janbb's avatar

I’d be tempted to move out of town and lay low for a while if possible after doing all of the above.

Coloma's avatar

^ Yes, and maybe buy 2 or 3 attack dogs. lol

cazzie's avatar

This sounds like a criminal situation. I’m currently (just last night) being threatened by my old business partners. They outvoted me on issues and ended up exposing the company to more debt than they should have instead of hunkering down and trading out of it. They now want me to invest more capital into the company which is only going to be dissolved before the end of the year. No thank you. The nasty bully of the two grabbed my kid and shook him.

Your situation sounds more criminal than just the legal mess my partners made. Threatening a person’s life to get them to carry out work they are unwilling to do is called a criminal threat. Report this. Also, see an attorney about what you may be exposed to legally in regards to the commercial entity. What country are you writing from?

Ali87's avatar

I am from India . There is no legal paperwork involved . He has spent 90% of the investment without informing me and I’ve wasted 10% of it as we failed to deliver . He says his reputation , time and money is lost . He says I have to bear the 90% or continue to work with him .
Three times :
Once he said he’ll do something
Second time he said He will fuck everyone
Third time he said I have a gun in my car

CWOTUS's avatar

If you’re determined to maintain a relationship with this “partner” rather than simply withdrawing completely as most of us suggested, then …

I suggest you have a conversation with him and let him know flatly that if he carries through on his implied threat to harm you or anyone else that he stands to lose everything: 100% of his investment, 100% of his reputation, and 100% of his time for however long he is imprisoned as a result of his acts. He can certainly kill you, but it won’t resolve his problem. He has to “understand” this, as it seems that his anger is preventing him from that simple understanding.

Once he understands that basic fact, and if he can calm himself to discuss a rational way forward, then you also have to get him to realize that you will not work “under orders” or under any other threat of compulsion or likely future harm. Again, remind him that he can shoot you – any of us could be shot by various people at any time – we need to rely on the people around us being more or less rational actors. So keep moving him towards being analytic and rational about the problems you both face.

So, now presumably you’re not a target for his violent revenge and the relationship has been redefined to where you are no longer his minion or slave, but a notionally equal partner. (It’s going to be up to you to continue to reinforce this. My sense of things from what you have said before is that he is apt to go his own way, do his own thing, and rely on force or threatened violent force to achieve compliance. I still would not trust such a person, but you seem intent upon continuing some kind of business relationship.)

At this point in the relationship: you not being threatened with death, not working as an employee or chattel slave, and now a full partner in the endeavor, then it would be a good time to discuss “what has to be done” to salvage the business. It would be better to discuss and agree first whether the business really can be salvaged, or whether the additional investment in time and money would be “good money chasing bad”. There comes a time in many businesses where rational actors have to look at “the world as it is” regardless of all sunk costs in time and money and make a dollars-and-sense decision as to whether it makes sense to continue. It may not make sense, and if it doesn’t make sense to you, then you should refuse future participation – under the terms outlined above.

That is, when equal partners dissolve a partnership because of a fundamental misunderstanding between them about the viability of the business, then there has to be a mechanism to dissolve it and for the partner who wishes to exit to sell his stake to the other, and the partners can otherwise walk away from each other. That’s just normal business.

So: after you’ve established an acceptable working relationship, determined (and agreed) what the future will require to get the business up and running again, but before you make a commitment of more time and/or money, you need to resolve what happened with the original stake. You have not said how much money was involved (it’s not important to us to know; I’m just saying that we don’t know), nor have you said the basis of the partnership, whether the money split was 50/50, or whether he put up the capital and you put up what we call “sweat equity” (that is, “where you do the work” in exchange for your share of the partnership).

If the money investment was all his, then it’s fair that he spent the bulk of it where he thought it should be spent. After all, rent is a valid business expense. However, as a partner you need to be informed, even if the money is all or mostly his, because that lets you know how the capital is invested and whether your effort has equal value to that – maybe it doesn’t, and that could be another source of friction. These things need to be out in the open in a partnership. On the other hand, if the money was “just spent” and there’s no good accounting, then he may be defrauding you. We just don’t know, and you’re not saying. (Not that I’m asking you to; it’s just more missing data in the problem.)

The expenditures need to be under control and agreed to by both (all) partners so that they know when and how the equity share of profits will be divided, and when business receipts will exceed expenses so that profits can be expected. This is all Business 101 stuff. He should realize this, and so should you. He can’t be making expenses you don’t know about. He can’t be making expenses that benefit him without benefiting the business. He can’t be making expenses at all – if you’re an equal partner and disagree with the items being purchased or the amounts being spent. This is basic partnership. A partner – unless he’s a managing or general partner in an unequal relationship – cannot be dictating terms to other equal partners.

If and only if all of the preceding can be worked out – and only you know how likely or unlikely that is – then you can decide together (it’s not all his decision, right?) what is to be done, the schedule and manner of accomplishment, the division of duties as to who-does-what, and the expected additional investment required from all parties. Again, this is basic partnership, basic business.

Personally, I still advise to dissolve the partnership and never look back on this. An individual who acts in the way you have described is beyond the pale. A “problem relationship” is one thing, and in business we have to be able to roll with all kinds of personalities and problems in a businesslike manner. But having a partner threaten – even indirectly – to shoot you for “business problems” is completely unacceptable. I would never work with or for such a person.

Ali87's avatar

Hi Cwotus . Thanks a lot .
I don’t want to be in partnership with him anymore or be in touch with him in any sort of manner .

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