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Ivanka Trump is found to have used her personal email address for government work. Will she be subject to the Hilary Clinton treatment?

Asked by elbanditoroso (25161points) November 19th, 2018

Lock Her Up! Seven congressional investigations?

Will Ivanka be investigated like Hillary was? How hypocritical are the Republicans?

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LadyMarissa's avatar

Initially it was reported that it was both Ivanka & Jared. That was just after the election. Since I couldn’t find a reputable source to confirm it, I just let it go. I knew what trump would say even IF it was true!!!

mazingerz88's avatar

They should be investigated for years and years, yelled to be locked up and then investigated again and again and yelled to be locked up again along with those who are still yelling lock her up during trump’s pitiful and deplorable rallies. How hypocritical are trump worshiping Repubs? Evilly hypocritical.

Jeruba's avatar

From an op-ed in today’s New York Times:

At a news conference the day after the midterm elections, the Senate majority leader warned that it would be “presidential harassment” if the newly elected Democratic majority in the House used its constitutional prerogative to act as a check on a president who has pushed ethics, decency and the rule of law to the brink. It was as if Mr. McConnell’s obstructionism in the Obama years had never happened.

Hypocrisy? It’s become the core of the party.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

His Fox=Fake news team will spin it in a favourable light and his sheep will buy it, while chanting lock her up about Hilary.

flutherother's avatar

Ivanka Trump? US government business? What the hell is going on over there?

Dutchess_III's avatar

^^^ Right? Nepotism to the 100th degree.

rojo's avatar

The Republicans won’t and I hope the Democrats don’t. Be the adults in the room guys.

tinyfaery's avatar

They are all a bunch of hypocrites and I’m not sure they are even smart enough to see it.

rojo's avatar

Ok, this is not mine, I just read it and thought it funny:

“Jim Acosta, CNN. What can you tell us about your daughters emails, Mr, President?”

Go for it Jim!

KNOWITALL's avatar

I guess nothing will happen here since Hillary got away with it.

“In July 2016, FBI director James Comey announced that the FBI’s investigation had concluded that Clinton was “extremely careless” in handling her email system but recommended that no charges be filed against her.”- wiki

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Very true @KNOWITALL so please tell us why Captain bone spurs won’t let it go??^

LadyMarissa's avatar

This might explain WHY trump flipped from “lock her up” to “it’s not important” immediately after the election…he knew he would be defending his daughter & sil fairly soon!!!

KNOWITALL's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 It’s a bit of a different situation with Ivanka. I’d assume Trump is still aggravated because many of his supporters think Hillary’s a criminal, for several reasons not just emails/ private server.

A spokesman for Abbe Lowell, Trump’s lawyer and ethics counsel, said in a statement Monday evening that she only used a private email account while “transitioning” into government.

“Until the White House provided her the same guidance they had to others who started before she did, Ms. Trump sometimes used her private account, almost always for logistics and scheduling concerning her family,” the spokesman, Peter Mirijanian, said.

Mirijanian added that Trump did not “create a private server,” nor did she delete or send classified emails — both clear references to former presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

seawulf575's avatar

My take on this is that many people in our government have used personal emails for government business. The line that Hillary crossed is that she didn’t care what the classification of the material she dealt with was. She felt she was above the law. IF Ivanka used her personal email for government business, and IF there was evidence of her mishandling classified materials doing that, then she should be punished, just as Hillary should be punished. But remember, you on the left have accepted the “I didn’t mean to” defense. So IF this all came to pass and Ivanka said she didn’t mean to mishandle the material, I expect every one of you to accept it.

rojo's avatar

^^ So, as I am understanding it, it is only illegal for Clinton to do it….if we parse the rules fine enough to exclude everyone else. Such bullshit. After her father and the entire Republican establishment howled about it for, literally, years; Ivanka has the nerve to claim she didn’t know it was illegal.

seawulf575's avatar

@rojo don’t try to rewrite what I said. I have consistently stated that Hillary should have gone to jail. The law is very clear. Intent does not play a part and that is even addressed in the law. Using a personal email account for business is not a crime and never was. What is a crime and what someone using a personal account accepts the responsibility for, is inadvertently (or purposely) transmitting classified documents via that pathway. If Ivanka was using a personal account (which I haven’t seen the whole story on so I remain skeptical for now) and If she sent classified materials, then I hold to my stance and say she ought to go to jail. However, for any of you liberals that have defended Hillary endlessly and claimed justification when Comey created the “intent” clause, you need to be willing to stand by that absolution to all people going forward. So If Ivanka sent classified materials over her personal email, you need to accept it as normal since that is what you accepted and defended with Hillary.
The real problem with using personal e-mail for government business is that it side-steps the FOIA rules. But so many of our elected (and appointed) officials have done it and are continuing to do it that this aspect has become a joke. And it isn’t restricted to liberals or conservatives, Dems or Repubs or Indies. Ironically, James Comey, while issuing his “intent” statement was using his own personal e-mail for government business.
You really need to get your facts instead of jumping on the innuendo bandwagon. I know, you liberals love a “gotcha” for a Trump, but honestly, if you open this door, you open it for all. That means Hillary goes to jail. Lois Lerner goes to jail. James Comey goes to jail. Peter Strzok goes to jail. Eric Holder goes to jail. The list goes on and on.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Nothing will come of it. It is definitely hypocritical of the right, but it is just a non-punishable crime I guess…

rojo's avatar

@seawulf575 I did not rewrite what you said, typical conservative fact twisting and paranoia. But I guess you can rewrite the facts to suit you all you want. It is still, so far, a free country but don’t keep trying to justify your own hatred of liberals Clinton by accusing others the very tactics you employ yourself.
I did not condemn Ivanka, I merely pointed out the hypocrisy of the far right (and specifically you in your answer) in accepting her and her extremely weak explanation at face value while you continue to vilify Clinton for doing exactly the same thing.
From a personal point of view, I don’t give a sh*t who does it and I don’t think it should be a crime. But if you are going to condemn one you sure need to condemn all regardless of party affiliation.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’d love to see these politicians being held accountable. I just don’t see it happening. Americans have been constantly taught how our politicians, and wealthy people are simply treated differently, in regards to law enforcement. Look at Trump. He gets to answer in writing (and editing by his lawyers) a limited number of questions by the Mueller team. The investigation is one of the most important in history. And yet Trump gets more leeway than someone in small claims court.

Can you.imagine a black drug dealer, getting to pick and choose what questions he answers, and doesn’t have to even endure a interview with authorities? What if that same guy said he would just pardon himself, if found guilty?

It’s truly astonishing, the leniency some people enjoy in this country of “equal rights.”

seawulf575's avatar

@rojo Uhh…yes, you did try to rewrite my comment. Can’t deny it now. Here, let me copy/paste the parts so you can see it with your own eyes:

Me: “IF Ivanka used her personal email for government business, and IF there was evidence of her mishandling classified materials doing that, then she should be punished, just as Hillary should be punished.”

You: ”^^ So, as I am understanding it, it is only illegal for Clinton to do it….if we parse the rules fine enough to exclude everyone else.”

I stated that the punishment should be the same for Ivanka and Hillary, you rewrote it to imply I was giving Ivanka a pass. Sorry hoss, facts don’t lie, unlike liberals.

Now, on to your current comment:

“From a personal point of view, I don’t give a sh*t who does it and I don’t think it should be a crime. But if you are going to condemn one you sure need to condemn all regardless of party affiliation.”

That shows a disturbing fact from your point. You seem to think that people were against Hillary because she used a personal email server to do government business. No. The fact is she mishandled classified documents. People were upset that she got a pass for violation of the law by Comey who directly contradicted the law when he stated that she didn’t mean to transmit all sorts of classified materials. 18 USC 793 (f) states:

”(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—”

You can also see why Strzok worked to rewrite the statement Comey gave to eliminate the words “gross negligence” and use “extremely careless” instead. They mean the same, but “Gross negligence” comes directly out of the law, “extremely careless” does not. Hillary violated the law many, many times. She should be fined or imprisoned for her crimes. She was let go entirely. I have stated that if Ivanka handled classified materials the same way, the same punishment should be imposed. However, you flaming liberals have fought tooth and nail to give Hillary a pass and allowed “intent” to be an excuse. So now you don’t want that same logic to apply to Ivanka. Apparently Ivanka claimed she didn’t know she was doing anything wrong. No intent. So you should just drop the whole thing, right? Or are you telling me that the liberal viewpoint is nothing but hypocrisy?

Yellowdog's avatar

Ivanka’s private email account is not a server.

Hillary set up a private email server (not just an account) in her home to handle classified Government email to hide a pay-to-play scheme with foreign governments, and purchase a dossier to lie about Trump—funneling money through a private law firm to fund Christopher Steele and Fusion GPS. When subpoenaed, she deleted emails, bleachbit and destroyed the equipment.

Ivanka had a private email account on a government server and has not hidden or destroyed anything.

flutherother's avatar

Ivanka must have been the only American in the country who didn’t realise you shouldn’t use a personal email for government business. If Hillary was “extremely careless” what does that make Ivanka?

Yellowdog's avatar

Well, Hillary actually committed crime schemes and set up a private server to handle classified government documents—so, how does that compare to Ivanka and a private account on a government server—and not desrorying subpoenaed material?

LadyMarissa's avatar

HOW do we know what Ivanka has hidden or destroyed??? HOW do w know that it was only an email account & not a server??? I don’t think taking lying tyrump’s word for it is enough!!!

seawulf575's avatar

@flutherother no, she has good company. Lois Lerner, Eric Holder, Lisa Jackson (Obama’s EPA czar who also used fake names to communicate with lobbyists), Bobby Jindal, Rick Perry, Condelezza Rice, Colin Powell…the list goes on. The part you seem to be missing is that it actually isn’t illegal to use a private e-mail account for government business. But there are rules that have to be followed. You can’t send classified materials, for instance, and all your e-mails have to be retained and able to be retrieved if necessary. Hillary was an outlier in that not only did she use personal e-mail, but she also set up an elaborate private server. She did not follow any of the rules AND she sent classified materials over her private set up.

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