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mazingerz88's avatar

Is Trump the new Jesus of his voters?

Asked by mazingerz88 (22680points) 4 weeks ago from iPhone

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zenvelo's avatar

Michelle Bachman thinks so.

Zaku's avatar

I have heard him treated not exactly as Jesus but as a godsend by rural US Christian radio “personalities”. They sound terrifyingly insane to me.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Yes of course. Tacky hotels with garish gold plated bathroom fixtures. Sounds like Jesus to me. Kidnapping kids at the border? I can see Jesus now standing at the Rio Grande screaming those immortal lines from the doormouse over the sacred wall “NO ROOM NO ROOM!” Bribing hookers, dogging gays, blessed are the skinheads—good people.

flutherother's avatar

Only among those that have dumped the original.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Trump is apparently more important than Jesus, to Trump supporters.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Interesting.
Liberals answering on behalf of conservatives.
If even one of you understood how a conservative thinks, that person would convert.

Zaku's avatar

@Patty_Melt What sort of conservative do you mean?

What could I be missing in my understanding?

Stache's avatar

“If even one of you understood how a conservative thinks, that person would convert.”

Hilarious. Are you drunk? What makes you think liberals don’t understand conservatives?Some of us despise conservatives because we know them so well. Just sayin’

seawulf575's avatar

“What makes you think liberals don’t understand conservatives?” Easy…you have all told me you don’t understand how I think. Guess I can’t take you at your word? Not to mention you all seem to avoid facts and logic and even reality which are all at the heart of most conservative thinking.

seawulf575's avatar

In answer to the question from one of the few conservatives here, the answer is no…Trump is not the new Jesus. I would explain why, but really…if you have to ask, what’s the point?

LostInParadise's avatar

Trump has a lot of support among Evangelicals. They seem to be unfazed by Trump’s moral lapses.

seawulf575's avatar

I think you are confusing “not jumping up and down” and unfazed. I think that is where liberals fall down on the debates…you seem to have an all-or-nothing attitude on pretty much everything. Example: If I don’t slam Trump with every breath, I must be an evil Trump supporter and probably a racist, white nationalist, whatever.
As a conservative Christian, I can tell you that most of what Mr. Trump does that is truly immoral (which is a lot less than liberals believe) is not something that impacts his ability to do a good job. Most moral sins are between the person and God. I have my own sins, so I can’t really slam him too hard for his. Not excusing bad behavior, just not jumping up and down. I guess you would have to be a Christian to understand.

LostInParadise's avatar

How do you feel about Trump’s statements bragging about how he can get away with grabbing women’s crotches? Does this bother you at all? Have any Evangelicals criticized Trump about this? You of course think it was okay to impeach Clinton for lying about his relationship with Lewinsky.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf The question alone suggests you are correct.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

“If even one of you understood how a conservative thinks, that person would convert.”

Funny, that’s how I realized I was really more aligned with conservatives. It’s not so much what I believe but how I think.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trump, in the eyes of the conservative followers is; taking a way liberals rights and power.
Like clean drinking water, breathing clean air (not smog from autos & coal fire fumes), losing women’s rights and sending ALL brown skin people out of the country (except the illegal ones he underpays at his Mar-a-lago) !
He is punishing the liberals. SMH

gondwanalon's avatar

The only similarity Trump has with Jesus is he’s likely going to be crusified.

seawulf575's avatar

@LostInParadise I think it is tacky to say something like what Trump said. It is rude. Saying it isn’t nearly as bad as doing it. But still, making that statement as a sin? I think I can safely forgive that. I think it is a much bigger deal with liberals than with conservatives because liberals are desperate to find something they can use to paint Trump as a bad guy. But it is interesting that you bring that up AND that you bring up Clinton. Every time I have compared the reaction to Trump with the reaction to Clinton I have been accused of deflecting. But now that you brought it up, how do YOU feel about Clinton? You seem caught up on the idea of immorality, so if saying you could grab a woman’s pussy offends you then having an extramarital affair must incense you. Yet you seem to be trying to use Clinton as a deflection to somehow make Trump look bad. Want to know my opinion on Clinton? And it has been my opinion since it was going on…Bill Clinton was a horn dog. His extramarital affair was really between him and his wife. I thought his infidelity spoke more to his integrity than to anything else (and, by the way, I feel the same way about Trump). And an affair, even with an intern, isn’t grounds for impeachment. However, perjury and obstruction of justice are grounds for impeachment.
So how ‘bout you? Since you consider Trump so immoral for making a crass statement, do you consider Clinton to be even worse for actually carrying through with his affairs?

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie How would you know what Conservatives think? We tell you and you don’t listen. You hear what other liberals say and that is all you know. I find it funny and sad how you view conservatives. I suspect your hatred of Trump is somewhere between your brainwashing by liberal propaganda and your victim mentality (that pours out of most of your comments). Look at your most recent comment here as a perfect example. You claim to know how conservatives think. You think we like Trump because he is taking away liberals rights and power. That speaks to liberal talking points AND victimization. You say he is trying to do away with clean water and clean air (liberal talking points with no basis in fact), losing women’s rights (liberal talking point with no basis in fact), sending ALL brow skin people out of the country (liberal talking point with no basis in fact), and you claim he has illegal aliens working at Mar-a-Lago (liberal talking point with no basis in fact). And lastly you claim he is punishing liberals (liberal talking point and victimization). Pretty much everything you said matches my evaluation of you to a tee.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@seawulf575 As he takes liberals rights away, so he takes the rest of the USA’s rights; enjoy your smog and dirty water.

You don’t know that I live in the middle of Bible belt with KKK rallys a couple of miles away; cross burning and all. So yes I know!1

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical Did you poll the KKK to see if they all claimed to be Reps?

Why arent we hearing about modern cross burnings in the media if thats true?

seawulf575's avatar

@KNOWITALL you don’t hear about it because @Tropical_Willie is doing the classic liberal victimization. He is trying to make it sound like it is a daily occurrence when, in fact, they don’t.
KKK rallies still happen on rare occasions, but cross burnings? Extremely rare. I, too, live in the bible belt and have NEVER seen a single cross burning even reported anywhere near me. @Tropical_Willie uses foolishness like this to try lending some credence to his fear stained life.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie I think you are suffering from the classic liberal projectionism. Trump is not trying to take anyone’s rights away. In fact, he has been beneficial for many people. If the left weren’t so deranged, they might actually be able to see it. The problem you and most liberals have is that he isn’t pushing for bigger and bigger government that has more and more control over our lives. He is pushing to make our society one where people can and do succeed. Imagine how much better we would be if the Dems stopped trying to battle him on every topic…even on things they proposed before?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf With all the liberal activists, I“d be surprised to hear they ignore kkk rallies, while calling innocent people racists for years. I’d pay to see them protest real racism like a rally…not even joking. Minus cameras.

I live in the bible belt, too, heard nothing since Ferguson.

Zaku's avatar

Trump’s disgustingness has created a huge smokescreen for him in public (especially Internet) conversations because it provides a convenient deflection where most of the criticism can be about trivializable or at least not important things.

From my own point of view, I too would be willing to overlook such things as:

* random tweeting nonsense
* lies and innacuracies that don’t matter
* mysoginist remarks
* fornicating with and some level of abuse of prostitutes and paying them to keep quiet
* oh god this list is never going to end… all sorts of other terrible behavior, sins, misdemeanors and even minor felonies

but what I wish no one would tolerate at all in a POTUS is:

* undermining environmental protections
* appointing incompetent people to government positions
* appointing former big-industry lobbyists and executives to head departments designed to protect the people and the environment from those same industries
* appointing political stooges to government positions
* appointing misogynist assholes to the Supreme Court
* serving megacorporations over the people in blatant corporate giveaways of power and wealth
* racism and bigotry
* making a laughing stock of our country
* abominable diplomacy
* this list ALSO goes on and on…

LostInParadise's avatar

@seawulf575 , Do you think Trump’s crass statement was true? He did not just say that he could get away with grabbing women. He said that he did get away with it. It is disgusting whether true or not. It shows a fundamental disrespect for women. It is a statement made by someone with no moral compass.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Lost No one voted for Trumps ‘moral compass’ haha

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@seawulf575 I don’t have to poll them, they tell everyone what the think about Democrats and F___ing N****ers !
Before 1964 and civil rights act they were Dixiecrats. After they became Republicans. Some today, still will show you the segregated water fountains at the county courthouse and ask why it isn’t still that way.

I’ve been invited to several “meetings”, they drop a note (No Stamp) in my mail box inviting all “Whites” to the meeting.

Oh I forgot I’m viewed by @seawulf575 as a lieing liberal !!!

Tropical_Willie's avatar

When his “moral compass” GRABS you, kids or grand kids . You’ll think about who you voted for a bigot and person with only narcissistic feelings ( he loves only himself) !

stanleybmanly's avatar

Well let’s consider the realm of moral shortfall and its impact on leadership. And I’d like to begin with that statement about Trump not trying to take anyone’s rights away, to which I can reply with one word: IMMIGRANTS. Then I suggest that everyone have a peek at @Zaku ‘s list above. Finally, I think we should discuss lying, and specifically at what point does a propensity for lying impede the ability to execute the affairs of state? Is there a line? Has Trump crossed it?

seawulf575's avatar

Before 1964, Democrats were blatant about their hatred of minorities. The Repubs were not the party of hate. In fact, it was the Repubs that supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964. It wouldn’t have carried with the Dems in congress…too many of them opposed it. Since that time, the Dems love to say the Dems became Repubs and vice versa. But there is no evidence of it. Yes, there have been a few Dems that swapped parties and there have been a few Repubs that swapped as well. But overall, the attitude of the Repubs has remained the same since the days of Lincoln. It is a great talking point for Dems, but the facts don’t support. This article gives a good description of the Republican Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_Republican_Party

Please read it as you might actually learn something . Fiscal and social conservatism and equal rights have pretty much been the big descriptors for them since their inception. There was a period where they dabbled in more progressive ideals, but that didn’t last long. And it is also true that many Dems swapped parties as the party moved farther and farther to the left. I guess they didn’t like the lunacy. But to say the Repubs became the Dems and the Dems became the Repubs is just not true. The Dems drove away their own people in an effort to embrace socialism. They were once the party of social conservatism and economic liberalism. Over time they moved farther and farther left in an attempt to entice younger folks to join their party. Those that still believed in social conservatism did leave the party to join with the Repubs who had always been social conservatives. But the overall attitude that the government should control us has ALWAYS rested with the Dems.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

^^^I’m glad I mentioned the Dixiecrats” ! On another thread.^^^

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical Actually I asked if you polled them because unless you hang out with them, seems like conjecture not fact. Where do they use that language and what is your response?

Why do you think the feel comfortable asking you? So do they terrorize people and you just watch or ???

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I’m a member of several clubs and groups (in an old North Carolina community) and they put up with the liberal Yankee. I remind them that is not appropriate, they laugh call me that, “Damn Yankee”. It’s not conjecture several my age remember their fathers and grandfathers going to KKK meetings in the forties, fifties and sixties in sheets.
Some are current members of The Sons of Confederate Veterans. The charge of the members goes like this:

“To you, Sons of Confederate Veterans, we will commit the vindication of the cause for which we fought. To your strength will be given the defense of the Confederate soldier’s good name, the guardianship of his history, the emulation of his virtues, the perpetuation of those principles which he loved and which you love also, and those ideals which made him glorious and which you also cherish.”

They’re still fighting the war 150 years later. not with guns and cannons but . . . words.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I don’t know why the left so desperately want to cling on to the idea that the right is flush with hate and hate groups. It’s downright slander on their part cause it’s just not the case. It’s genuinely the opposite, I see right wingers gravitate to public service like the fire department, EMS, military and police. I have mixed feelings about cops but they’re mostly good people. 95% or more of the engineers and technicians I have worked with over the last 20 years were conservatives, many of them work high risk, high hazard jobs. They’re not all white either, not even close. Only member of one of those hate groups I suspect I ever met was a skinhead kid in high school with emotional problems. I don’t even think he even identified right or left. Being conservative is not a party where a bunch of white dudes sit around and talk about the south rising again, please….

Harper1234's avatar

There is NOTHING to compare Jesus to.
He is the great I AM.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@ areyoukiddingme Ok. I understand your frustration with the characterization of conservatives as race baiting bigots with not a shred of decency among them. Did you ever wonder how it came to be that people actually displaying those characteristics came to wear the conservative label? The wulf has. His conclusion is that Nazis called themselves socialists, so they are therefore leftists. But back to reality. When and why do you think the miscreants were sorted into the conservative pile?

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

“When and why do you think the miscreants were sorted into the conservative pile?”
They’re not conservatives they’re fascists. They can say they’re conservative but they are fundamentally different and we all know it. They’re not welcome on this side of the isle either. To be honest I see the left as becoming more radical, authoritarian and using more and more “ends justify the means” style tactics.

stanleybmanly's avatar

All right. So they have no business being listed as “far right.” How does it happen that they are? Has it always been this way? And it’s interesting that you see the left as you do. You would have a difficult time convincing anyone on the left that your description of the left isn’t the perfect definition of the right and Trump in particular.

Yellowdog's avatar

Actually, they’re NOT listed as “far right”. Most of the country is conservative, but you’d never know it from the media

Some examples of radical, authoritarian tactics of the left include the recent efforts to unseat a duly elected president, spying on political opponents by the Obama administration using the powerful tools of the FBI and DOJ, fabrication and leaking of information, propaganda such as the Christopher Steele dossier presented as legitimate intelligence to FISA courts and the American media the Russia hoax, the Mueller investigation, Lois Lerner’s targeting conservative groups by withdrawing legitimate tax exempt status, media propaganda, the censoring and shadowbanning of conservatives on social media, assaults against conservatives and conservative speech on college campuses, the smear campaign against Kavanaugh (guilt by accusation, without evidence or collaboration) violent tactics of groups like Antifa, etc etc.

The entire way Trump has been defamed and so many of the American people brainwashed, the way Trump is frequently misquoted—the sheer barrage of fake news stories about Trump—often more than four a week.

You sure don’t see Trump, conservatives, or the center doing these things. Most of what I’ve seen and heard is Trump responding to media lies.

Yellowdog's avatar

I thought of a few more— the way Democrats use similar techniques against each other, albeit with less vitriol. The “research” against Joe Biden, and the rigging the primaries for Hillary.

How about the raids and Gestapo techniques against fairly inoculous persons who were part of the Mueller probe? How about threatening to go against certain people’s families (like Flynn’s) if they don’t compose or lie about the president? What about the recent efforts to impeach William Barr simply because the facts don’t go along with the Left’s 3-year narrative?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Gestapo !!!
Oh wait, Trump is going to fire everyone that talked to Mueller under oath. HE wanted them to LIE to protect his “rosy red ass” and have them do jail time because he wanted them to perjure themselves.

Patty_Melt's avatar

“Rosy red ass”, just how close have you gotten to our president?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

I’m not in a Junior Miss Contests !

JLeslie's avatar

It’s a well known tactic that some political leaders use similar methods as religion to get devotion. Especially, in communist countries religion is removed from the country, and instead the people are supposed to look to the political leader as the source of all things.

It’s not only done by dictators and communists though. Political leaders in democracies play on this too; the need some people have to latch on to someone or some thing as a guide for their life.

The Republicans for a good 40 years now have used religion to garner loyalty and devotion. Not necessarily that the president is Jesus, but rather the president is in line with what Jesus wants. In that way he his followers become His followers.

When Trump stayed Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, I had evangelical friends on Facebook stating “Trump is part of the prophecy, it’s finally happening.” They see him as doing the work of Jesus. Like all things, not all Republicans, or even all Trumpers, think this way, but I think a plenty do.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Never in my life have I thought of Trump in the way I viewed Jesus, neither when I was a Christian nor when I realized I was atheist.
I have nothing to argue about here. My opinion is mine, and I know it better than any human alive.

Stache's avatar

^By golly, you are darn tootin’!

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly I know exactly how all conservatives got lumped into the pot of race-baiting bigots. Liberals had to have a tag to apply that would make their own position sound sane. And liberals are classic for projectionism. Let’s look at the race baiters we have seen. All the liberal MSM, Stacey Abrams, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, SPLC, Barack Obama, Louis Farrakhan….the list goes on. And they all have one common thread (besides being race-baiting bigots), they are all Dems and support the left.
I know…the left loves to try painting Trump as a race-baiting bigot, but to do so you have to suspend reality. He has done more to help minorities than any of the above mentioned fools. Race-baiting bigots wouldn’t do anything to help minorities. The left loves to make bold claims like @Tropical_Willie did earlier…“Trump is trying to send ALL brown people out of the country…” As I said, you can’t back up a statement like that. It is pure silliness that the left spews so they can keep their hatred going.

JLeslie's avatar

@Yellowdog The Republicans did it to Clinton plenty. Remember the saying “you get what you give.” Republican politicians have even stated in the last two years that when they did it to Clinton it backfired, so Democrats better think carefully before acting. Republicans are admitting they put the country through shit for nothing, plus obviously they are trying to just get Democrats to stop pursuing impeaching or trying to draw Trump through the mud. The Republicans do not just sit back and pray for our presidents who are Democrats. Some might, but there are plenty who go after them with vengeance.

Regarding Obama all they could come up with was he wanted to be dictator, he was a socialist, he was a Muslim, his minister said something really awful, he wasn’t born in America. The only thing that was true was his preacher did say some horrible things, which Obama denounced. The rest was made up propaganda.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie did you happen to read the article you posted? First, it was written by Michael D’Antonio who is a liberal CNN contributor. As we all know, CNN is not really high on the integrity scale and are definitely skewed left. So that starts off a really bad article. After that, it just goes downhill. He states that he called Mexicans “rapists” which isn’t true. That is a left wing smear that only the left believes. The actual quote is: “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.” That is a far cry from calling all Mexicans “rapists”. But the weak-minded lefties believe what they are told. After that, D’Antonio refers to Trump’s “Muslim Ban” which again, is not accurate. Basically for the same reasons. The left made the accusation it was a Muslim ban and then the propagandists (such as D’Antonio) run with it. They believe in the Joseph Goebbels mindset…if you repeat a lie often enough people will come to believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself. The rest of the article is sketchy at best with items concerning things that Fred Trump supposedly did that D’Antonio is wording so it sounds like Trump did it, innuendo about Trump’s hiring practices, and more. It is a low brow attempt at a smear job…the sort of thing that will keep D’Antonio employed at CNN for a long, long time.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Oh okay ALL LIBERALS LIE!

DEFLECT

KNOWITALL's avatar

Politics 101, you vote for the candidate that most aligns with your beliefs in regard to policy. Trump has never been associated with Jesus by anyone I’ve heard.

@JLeslie is correct in that his anti abortion, pro-Isreal policy (among other issues) does garner support from many people. As well as MAGA, not because it comes across racist, but because many feel Obama’s apologist tour weakened America.

Pelosi does not want impeachment and has stated that it negates the will of the people. Dems can impeach, but wont, and that has nothing to do with Reps. Its a process Dems have the right to use or not.

The fact is, so far, there’s not evidence to impeach, folks. Over 40 million spent and Trump will definately use that in 2020 to try to win again. That is what is backfiring.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@KNOWITALL Does “apologist” equate to negotiator and diplomat ? Asking for a friend!

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical Maybe. Why dont you research the ‘great’ deals Obama made and list them for us? Show what the American people got out of each. Lol.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Dems won’t try to impeach or arrest him. Why not? Because firstly they know he hasn’t committed any act for which they could, and because they know he is a strong, persistent, president who is truly M-ing AGA.
They will smear, accuse, investigate him to death, in hopes enough people will be convinced by their scare tactics to vote demoncrat in 2020.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Here comes more whining.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Patty_MeltDems won’t try to impeach or arrest him. Why not? Because firstly they know he hasn’t committed any act for which they could,” duh that is a TRUMP Republican assumption and they hope the Democrats don’t use Muellers report to go after Trump; on obstruction of justice because he fired Comey and other times he told his aides to lie to Mueller and others in the Justice Department.

Oh it is okay to lie to protect a bigot and because Trump is carrying on your agenda.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Not whining, you just asss-ume the Dems can’t read ! SMH

Patty_Melt's avatar

Oh, dems can read. It is the reading comprehension where they have me worried.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Patty Melt We argue the same facts every other month. Post links and facts and it still comes up again because people want to believe they’re right. Even some of the smart jellies here are wearing blinders willingly. Its discouraging.

The actual role of govt is to put America first. Its our tax dollars and they work for us. Not Mexico, not Guatemala, not Canada or anyone else. If Hillary had used MAGA, she may have won tbh.

seawulf575's avatar

Hillary didn’t use MAGA, she was more of MMPA or MMRA…Make Me Powerful Again or Make Me Rich Again.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf Agreed.

I remember voting for Bill (my first vote for Pres) and being embarassed and disgusted by both Clintons reactions. She was never Pro Woman or she would have turned on Bill instead of his women.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Trumpo is one getting rich ! Don’t tell me he is giving his salary away, he making money on his investments that he is supporting as President.

seawulf575's avatar

@Tropical_Willie and yet as he does this, he is helping the rest of us as well. Isn’t that a hoot?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical Like what? I keep hearing that talking point but no proof. Dems made sure the Trump business was handed over before he took office. So you cant have it both ways willie.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

Dems made sure the Trump business was handed over before he took office. So you cant have it both ways willie.” ****** IT DIDN’T happen he still controls all the investments.

The tariffs are doing what? making things cost more . . .

@seawulf575 and @KNOWITALL your collective viewpoint is MAGA and the rest of the world can go flip off? Where are you buying all your needs that a made in America only.

Patty_Melt's avatar

See what I mean about reading comprehension?
He didn’t quote anyone. He made an assumption that if America does great, it will destroy the rest of the world.
Willie, if you feel that way, you are imagining Trump to have much more power than any of the rest of us thought.
Now I know who believes Trump to be a Jesus.

EDIT: Or THE Jesus.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical Thats not what I said actually. I stated its our govts job to put America and Americans first, that includes legal immigrants.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 You won’t believe this, but I tire of slapping you around. I feel that I’m somehow picking on you because you are ignorant and therefore defenseless. If you weren’t so busy trumpeting that ignorance, I might leave you alone, but ignorance is dangerous, primarily because those so afflicted are susceptible when others of their ilk spew it willy nilly bathing the great unwashed.

Above you manufactured a list of race baiters, curiously restricted to black men, all of which you claim to be liberal leftists and components of the MSM. The list ranges from Obama thru Farrakhan, and one need merely glance at it to understand just how hopelessly ignorant you are. I have never seen a list of people so notable for nothing in common other than the fact that they are all black. Your list is nothing beyond the declaration that “they all look alike” If Obama is your definition of a race baiter, you lack the perspective to even discuss the topic. And the sad fact that to this day you still do not understand that Louis Farrakhan cannot possibly be considered a liberal shows that you are apparently incapable of learning. I know for a fact that this is one mistake you flaunted here before, for which you were dressed down good and proper. Apparently, you (like the fool) possess some inborn immunity to humiliation.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly I find it funny that after two paragraphs (and a lot of chest puffing) you produced not one single fact!! That is incredible. Yeah, you really slapped me around with that! Ooooohhhhh….
Let me help you with your power of deduction. While you were busy trying desperately to make it all about the white guy picking on black guys, you entirely missed “The liberal MSM” and “SPLC” both of which have a majority of white guys in them. Darn! Did I just poke a hole in your little liberal bubble? Your entire rant was an exercise in slapping yourself around.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

^^ He got 9 GAs for that too. Lol, SMH. I’m not too much of a Trump supporter, I have mixed feelings about the guy. Funny how when one side gets in the oval office the other frames them in the worst possible light. The left seem to only be able to smear people on the right by calling them racist or ignorant or both, neither of which are true. Yet… they’ll triple down on those things. Ad hominem, it’s all they got.

seawulf575's avatar

^ the 9 GAs just shows the mentality of the other drones…that they can’t see a frantic tap dance when it’s happening.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Apparently, some jellies are in a state of severe denial.

I won’t speak for the “other drones,” but my opinions of Trump,and his supporters come entirely from observation. Nobody is forcing Trumpers to display their bigotry. Nobody is using CGI to manufacture videos of Trump talking. It’s all self inflicted “smearing.”

There was a time, when I could give Trump supporters the excuse of ignorance. That time is LONG gone. At this point, supporting Trump’s agenda, is supporting bigotry (among other things.)

The only “frantic tap dance” I see here is from some jellies trying to justify their shameful agenda, and the abandoning of their own claimed ethics in order to advance that agenda…

LostInParadise's avatar

Here is an opinion article about Trump’s moral repugnance. Yes, I know it is from a LEFT WING Web site, but it backs up its statements with conclusions from the Mueller report. I agree with the article’s belief that the Democrats should forget about impeachment and concentrate on showing what a despicable amoral character Trump is. They are unlikely to sway many hardcore Republicans, but they may be able to reach some independents.

Stache's avatar

Aw, did somebody get butthurt over a bunch of great answers against their argument? And they call liberals the snowflakes.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Stache Well it’s a mostly liberal site at this point, so it’s not that surprising. When people post F Jesus and all that, most don’t come back. Years ago it was a little more balanced, but not since Trump especially.

seawulf575's avatar

@stache I think butthurt is the wrong term. Amused I think is closer. @stanleybmanly ranted for 2 paragraphs and presented not a single fact. He gave his opinion and basically said “see? I gotcha!” I am amused that weak-minded fools, such as yourself, find that a great answer. I don’t care how many GAs someone gets…it is often a meaningless gauge for content. It is sometimes a gauge of how gullible people are. Thanks for letting us know where you fall on that scale. Your support of that answer by @stanleybmanly shows that you are not concerned with facts or you cannot differentiate between fact and opinion. You can probably blame the left wing media for that…that is how they have devolved over the years. Especially for the past 2 years when they were in full Not-Trump mode. All they DID was give innuendo and opinion and present it as fact. So when a jelly on here does it you are incapable of telling the difference.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 I checked the list again, and found neither the MSM nor the SPLC on that list.
And here we have right in front of you the reason why debating you is not a fair fight. You’re a duplicate of the fool. I feel badly for you, but that’s how it is. You lack the sense to even understand that you’ve been slapped around. To say that I produced not one single fact is a lie. It is not only a lie, but a blatant lie for all to see. Louis Farrakhan is NOT a leftist or a liberal. This IS the second time you’ve claimed that he is, and you are no more accurate in that assessment than you were in 2017. Obama as a race baiter is a concept so far from the truth that your claim of such a thing is the clearest demonstration possible that you don’t know enough to talk about it. Either that or again like the fool, you apparently don’t care whether what you say is true or accurate. And I suppose I should thank you for in effect vindicating those 2 paragraphs you took for bragging. I think to salve my conscience, I shall continue in my hope that you are not as pathetically ignorant and defective as you appear, but rather the creation of some Russian troll factory. That way, your bizarre idiocy makes more sense.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly

“Let’s look at the race baiters we have seen. All the liberal MSM, Stacey Abrams, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, SPLC, Barack Obama, Louis Farrakhan….the list goes on.”

Really? Even when you “check the list again” you still can’t see them. You are hopeless. The rest of your diatribe is meaningless since you start off showing you are incapable physically or mentally to actually deal with a fact.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Louis Farrakhan is basically the black KKK. Islamic hard liner, anti-semitic, ideological black nationalist…. but @seawulf575 was correct to call him a race baiter because he is and you get no pushback from the left….

stanleybmanly's avatar

You most certainly will get pushback about him being a Dem and supporting theleft!

stanleybmanly's avatar

But reading his extraordinary post for the 4th time, I realize that I might owe the wulf an apology due to some unfortunate phrasing open to misinterpretation. I’m referring to the fact that the MSM with the list of black men following it can be read to mean the list is a sampling of the membership of the MSM. I thought the idea bizarre, but in the past the wulf has thrown up a lot more nonsense stranger than that. The characterizations of Farrakhan & Obama for example.

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s also one of the examples of what I’m talking about regarding the probability of arguing from reference books. Passages of superior English, accompanied by visibly gaping deficiencies in the concomitant idioms one should acquire in utilization of the language. Those are MORE than mistakes regarding Obama and Farrakhan, and to trip over them is like a slap in the face. How do you argue with someone who tells you that Obama is a race baiter suitable for framing alongside Farrakhan? How can you live HERE and even form such a concept?

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly remember Tayvon Martin? How about Ferguson MO? Or even how about Beergate? Obama jumped in (as POTUS) on all of these to push the racist version. And he was wrong in absolutely all of them. But it didn’t stop him from stirring hate and discontent. How can you ignore those things? Oh wait….he’s a Dem. That’s right. Obama is very much a race baiter. He showed it repeatedly.

stanleybmanly's avatar

You don’t understand that you are reinforcing my position. What you are saying effectively isolates you to the extremist park that even conservatives recognize as looney. You’re like a kid who upon hearing the word wolverine, rushes to the dictionary then walks away with a conclusion that the animal must be a suitable watchdog. Like the fool, you truly don’t understand that it is worse than merely bad form to claim that “there are good people on both sides”. You even fail at recognizing WHICH is the racist version. I’ll tell you the truth. I don’t understand you, but there are big holes between what you are looking up and the application of that knowledge. I’m hoping that your problem involves your choice of reference materials. But I fear it is beyond that. Clearly, we both have agendas, but you must learn to do a better job promoting yours. Meantime, you’re making my head hurt.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Good night. It’s nearly 2 A M here.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Wolverine watchdog, that’s funny.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Not taking sides, but I just want to say that I live in Missouri and Ferguson was no joke. Cops were sending each other racist jokes and singling out black people for stops and all kinds of things, you know, like murder. There are a lot of repercussions, too. Not only did the force get cleaned out, but a black man was put in charge which helped balance the power to an acceptable level.

They also passed Senate Bill 5 which ended racial profiling because cops are no longer allowed to profit off tickets/ black people.

I’m happy to call a lie a lie, but Ferguson was out of hand and needed intervention.

https://themissouritimes.com/40964/missouri-supreme-court-upholds-most-provisions-of-municipal-court-reform-law/

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly I know you don’t understand me. When I point out things to you that you don’t like, you try to dodge them with some bloviation that usually includes some slam on me and then a lot of words that really have no meaning. They certainly address the conversation we were having. It is impossible for you to understand anyone if, every time they present an idea that goes against your fragile grasp of reality, you just dodge the issue and make long-winded attacks.

seawulf575's avatar

@KNOWITALL I have no doubt that many of the cops in Ferguson were racists. I have no doubt that blacks were targeted by them. Ferguson was not unique in this aspect. But remember, it was Michael Brown getting shot by Darren Wilson that started all the riots AND carried over across the country. The facts are, Michael Brown was a thug AND he attacked the cop. The cop shot him when he attempted to attack again. The STORY that the MSM AND Obama went with was that Brown was on his knees with his hands in the air and Wilson just shot him. That story came from Brown’s buddy who just strong-armed a shop owner with Brown. Many other witnesses including blacks gave separate stories that backed up Darren Wilson’s story 100%. Meanwhile, the MSM and Obama were calling the cops racist and that Wilson shot Brown in cold blood. Race-baiting at its finest.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf Yes, thats right, too. Real racism muddies the water.

Patty_Melt's avatar

South St. Louis is scary, and I have lived in several neighborhoods that are considered dangerous. I don’t scare easily, but when my mom got lost and ended up in south St. Louis, I just wanted to hit any street or highway that would get us right out of there. I had my window down, and when we were stopped at a red light, this boney young woman came towards the car, and she looked like she wanted to yank me right out the window and kick my a$$. Usually I’m not afraid of people even twice my size, but she looked like she could do me in.
I do honestly wish we could all get along, but there’s just no way. For humans, there has to be a them in order for there to be an us.

The military has a strict no racism policy. Some stuff does happen, but not much. I enjoyed the eased social tensions.
It was such a shock going back to civilian life. I was bombarded with stuff that I hadn’t even noticed before enlisting.

Zaku's avatar

“I do honestly wish we could all get along, but there’s just no way. For humans, there has to be a them in order for there to be an us.”
Only in certain situations. South St. Louis isn’t the way it is (and that woman wasn’t the way she was) just because of fundamental human nature.

Zaku's avatar

Meanwhile, back on this question’s topic:

A short overview article:
http://churchandstate.org.uk/2019/01/evangelicals-god-sent-trump-to-be-king/

A more detailed opinion article that the above one starts out by citing:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/31/opinion/trump-evangelicals-cyrus-king.html

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Zaku Then whats your theory?

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 Fragile grasp of reality? That would be Farrakhan as a liberal, a Democrat, or a man sympathetic with the left. My reaction to you “pointing out” such “facts” is more about a verdict of hopeless than dislike. But never mind. Just provide me more excuses to bloviate. If that’s your goal, looks like you’re not to be disappointed.

Zaku's avatar

My theory on what? Whether or not Trump is really foretold in Isaiah 45 and meant by God to be the King of America, to save us from our curse of having been too indulgent to homosexuals?

My theory is that no, that’s not the case, but that many people are suffering from the lack of real spiritual connection, lack of authentic connections with their families and communities, dissociation from their core selves, lack of a strong healthy culture, lack of security that their basic needs will be provided (health care, financial solvency, safety), lack of feeling like our culture and economy provide a place for them to succeed in various ways, lack of faith that our government isn’t hopelessly corrupt, fear of all the complex changes and threats and other overwhelming information in world events, and apocalyptic fears (e.g. that world as we know it may be about to end due to any or all of: catastrophic climate change, nuclear war, pandemics, economic collapse, ecosystem collapse, robots making most humans irrelevant to the corporations who own most of the world’s wealth and power, prophecies, political polarization, racial and religious and ideological conflicts, etc) that naturally leave people in a state of (as Michael Meade says ) apocalypsis – a “state of necessary confusion and disorientation that occurs in the time and space between collapse and renewal.”

I think that leaves many people craving a revelation of what’s coming after all the chaos, and so will believe even bizarre prophesies (e.g. about a (very ungodly) TV-personality-turned-politician being foretold in an ancient book as an emissary from God), and I think some people are capitalizing on that to gain followers for their own purposes, and that most of those people (e.g. politicians) are themselves being manipulated to do by people and organizations driven by great wealth and power.

Yellowdog's avatar

What in Isaiah 45 has anything to do with Donald Trump, or ANY prophecy about America?

It is about Israel’s turning against the Lord and worshiping wooden idols.

Zaku's avatar

The number 45, and I suppose a metaphorical assertion about how we’re supposed to change our ways and conform our thoughts to preachers.

Reportedly, Dr. Lance Wallnau said, “I believe the 45th president is meant to be an Isaiah 45 Cyrus [who will] restore … us from cultural collapse.”

His web site has a big banner that reads:

“Prepare To Be Stunned: Lance’s Prophetic Scorecard
11 Wild Predictions About Trump”

And apparently the film The Trump Prophecy has been taken seriously by some people.

Yellowdog's avatar

Yeah, I think I’ve seen this guy on the Trinity Broadcasting Network before.

Whatever his scenario is, it must be outside the scope of the chapter contents of Isaiah 45—and besides that, chapters and verses are a later construct, not part of the actual texts.

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