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raum's avatar

Can Trump supporters please provide some rationale for Trump’s behavior in El Paso?

Asked by raum (4337points) 1 week ago from iPhone

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-melania-baby-el-paso-thumbs-up-hospital-parents-mass-shooting-a9049086.html%3famp

Even if you assume all of the articles mentioning it are fake news, what do trump supporters think is happening in this image?

Really hoping to hear something that makes sense of a president giving a thumbs up in a photo op with a baby whose parents were violently gunned down.

(Not looking for a dog-piling by people who don’t like Trump. More curious about what the other side thinks of this.)

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gondwanalon's avatar

The picture is weird. I can cut Trump some slack because he’s required to to pose for so many pictures a day. What do you do for a posed picture? You smile. For Trump his smile may have become be like an arch reflex.

I voted for Trump in 2016 and will vote for him again in 2020 because I believe that smaller government, less bureaucracy, lower taxes, less regulation, more personal freedom is best for capitalism. Yes I think that capitalism offers a far better quality of life (for all) than socialism.

I’ve worked hard so that I can be in control of my life especially in my last years of life. I want to control my own healthcare through private companies (which are better care than government run healthcare). I want to employ the very best doctors that I chose, not bureaucrats sitting on perfumed pillow in an office someplace.

Also I think that if it looks like a normal healthy baby then don’t kill it (as long as the mother’s life is not in danger). And if a woman wants to kill her baby, then let her pay its murder, not tax payers.

Also I think that the USA boarder should be secured so that people can’t just walk in and when people enter the US or stay in the US illegally then they should be dealt with according to the current laws.

raum's avatar

Thanks for taking the time to answer.

(Though I think the Q only required the first paragraph of your answer. But I guess it’s tempting to extrapolate since you’re not often given the chance to without people jumping on you.)

Patty_Melt's avatar

I can’t see the picture. The link didn’t work for me.
All I have to go on is what his FB page posted that appeared in my timeline. He posed for pictures with various people; victims, first responders, and survivors who lost somebody.
The captions focused on commending the community for their strength in face of da nota fee and heartbreak.
I believe what you linked was probably intended to have the same sort of caption. Rather than focusing on individual injuries, he was attempting to boost the morale of an injured community.

Obviously you are smart enough to realize that no human would, in such a time, feel other than compassion for the pain.
Thanks for asking this question in the way you did.

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raum's avatar

@Patty_Melt I used to assume a certain level of decency from people. The last few years has had me question quite a bit. Even still, I’d like to not assume the worse. So hoping to hear how the other side views these things.

Sorry about the link. Another jelly tried to let me know. But I missed my ten minute window to edit. Let’s try that again

@KNOWITALL Initially I hadn’t realized that the man on the left was the child’s uncle. After I found out, I found him smiling in the photo more disturbing than Trump. If my brother and SIL were just violently gunned down, I wouldn’t be all that keen about taking a photo with someone smiling and giving a thumbs up.

I try to take my own distaste for Trump out of the photo and imagine if my brother and SIL were big Bruce Springsteen fans. And if shortly after their violent deaths, would I be posing happily with The Boss while he’s grinning and giving a thumbs up? Probably not. But maybe that’s just me. And maybe some people would be appreciative of the distraction? Who knows?

Yellowdog's avatar

The article also says that Trump was exaggerating the size of crowds there, and was bragging to them about the size of a rally.

In the first place, Trump has no reason to exaggerate the size of crowds. People wait 30 hours in all weather to get in a Trump rally, and there have been as many as sixty thousand unable to get in but watch in a courtyard.

All the footage and stills I saw, showed a very warm and intimate crowd in a hospital, full of victims, families, law enforcement, and medical staff.

The media is desperate to present a false narrative or image here, because people are no longer buying it.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Although it looks awkward, and I do mean every adult in it, it does go along with all those others, trying to show optimism. Especially with an infant, people are most helpful when showing smiles and friendly demeanor.
Medical personnel are taught that.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@raum Unfortunately even a libelous piece will be believed by Dems, told to their friends, and another instance of fake outrage will occur that could be easily refuted by a simple Google.

And Dems call Reps dumb….

@Yellowdog They even said something about crowd size here in Missouri, and I assure you, it was far more people than they could fit in the biggest arena we have.

Just keep remembering Stephanopoulos’ face when Trump won. :)

raum's avatar

@Yellowdog Trump brags about everything. For gods’ sake, he brags about grabbing women by the pussy. But the idea of him bragging about the size of his rally is unthinkable?

I gave you a GA anyway just for participating. But your objection doesn’t make a lot of sense. Every one else’s responses are at least somewhat reasonable.

seawulf575's avatar

So let me understand this…you put a person in a staged shot for a photo and expect them to…what? Look at the picture you proposed as a bad thing. There is a staged background highlighting the hospital. There are hospital staff in the picture that are smiling as well. And somehow this shows Trump is bad? C’mon….this is more liberal bullshit.

Caravanfan's avatar

“C’mon….this is more liberal bullshit.”
I actually agree with this. The optics are poor, though.

raum's avatar

@seawulf575 I agree that this may be getting more attention than necessary. But it does make me scratch my head and wonder why the fuck everyone is smiling when a ton of people just violently died.

@Caravanfan George Bush was a Republican. Unless you’re going to paint any sympathetic person as a liberal?

Caravanfan's avatar

@raum My post was sarcastic. I forgot the tilde

Mark Hamill is also in support of Trump (SARCASM)
https://twitter.com/HamillHimself/status/1159913723944812544?s=20

raum's avatar

LOL Missed that.

raum's avatar

I guess my take-away from all of this is that most Trump supporters just see this as a photo op that doesn’t reflect his character. Just a knee-jerk response to getting his photo taken. That he was sympathetic by coming there in the first place.

Am I close?

MrGrimm888's avatar

I hate Trump. I think most jellies know that. But I think the photo, was just a politician, being a politician. There are a massive amount of things, to mad about Trump for. This is not one of them. I give him credit, for trying to do SOMETHING about these mass killings. Although, I still think that him changing his rhetoric, would help.

I don’t think that Trump is necessarily evil. I think, he is just disconnected from reality…

Caravanfan's avatar

@MrGrimm888 The picture was tone deaf, but it wasn’t malicious.
But I disagree. Trump is most certainly evil, and the people around him are complicit. His presidency will leave a permanent shit stain on the underpants of this country.

And I write this as a conservative.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Complicity, does not equate, to evil.

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MrGrimm888's avatar

Complicity, is a direct link to a disconnect, from reality. IMO. People are naturally afraid, of what they don’t understand. Most Trumpers, simply are ignorant of other cultures. And Trump preys on that ignorance. It’s clearly, a trait, of his base…

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Politician being a politician? I thought he got to the WH because he wasn’t one. He did this thumbs up because he is a soulless evil creature who doesn’t feel compassion. Except for himself.

And the first post above explaining why people willl vote for him again…all that rationale is why I lost faith in the humanity of Americans. Any leader would do, even evil psychos as long as he talks about granting them their wishes and fulfill their desires and whatever evil things he does to get there…well who cares?

trump talks, people get killed and he gets millions of votes. America finally is great again!

MrGrimm888's avatar

I don’t like “defending” Trump. But he seems to be trying to do something about the mass killing issue.

We’ll see if he follows through. I don’t believe that he will. But… I’m willing to give him this opportunity to work it out…

mazingerz88's avatar

That’s just BS he’s doing something about the mass killing issue. If something good happens he is a useful tool. I might believe he has a conscience if from now until the next election he says nothing hateful and racist and inciteful against minorities and illegal border crossers. He has said more than enough and people
actually died!

mazingerz88's avatar

Oh here we go. trump defender to the rescue.

raum's avatar

Can we stay on track and keep discussions to this particular instance, please?

Thanks.

seawulf575's avatar

I think that this is pretty much being blown out of proportion by the left. Trump visited with the families and victims of the Parkland shooting. He made a comment to reporters about how great the hospital and doctors were. He was asked if he had met with the families and he had. But he didn’t make a production out of it. He visited with the Thousand Oaks victim’s families privately…no pics. He has met with the families of 43 fallen soldiers. He met with the families of MS-13 victims. He does all these things and the media is pretty much silent on that. But one picture they believe they can turn into a negative for him? Yeah…it’s blown out of proportion. Pretty much how the media deals with Trump…find something you can paint as a negative and blow it out of proportion. As I said before…it’s liberal bullshit.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I don’t think it’s “liberal” bullshit. But there’s plenty of bullshit going around….

raum's avatar

I don’t think it’s bullshit.
But I do think it’s blown out of proportion.

mazingerz88's avatar

Seems the WH actually made a production out of it. They edited the video, scored it with magnificently soaring music to dazzle and bewitch his future voters. Seems someone in his staff even described him as a rockstar in those visits? Really sickening.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@raum I think you see my pov, as an objective observer, not a Trump lover.

@MrGrimm I’m really glad to see you post about benefit of the doubt, its all we can so. Hope and wait.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

He’s a fucking selfish cowardly clueless imbecile.

Caravanfan's avatar

@MrGrimm888 “Complicity, does not equate, to evil.”
That is correct. But complicity equates to either craven optimism or outright cowardice.

Demosthenes's avatar

This is a nothingburger with a side of invisible fries.

raum's avatar

@Demosthenes This isn’t significant by any means. But it is an interesting point to discuss how different sides view things like this. At least it’s interesting to me.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@raum Agreed.

I have a real problem with sensationalizing at this point in time especially.

But relying on people to research over listening to a sound byte is problematic.

mazingerz88's avatar

How is this a nothing burger? Do you even care that people got slaughtered and part of the problem was this sorry excuse for a creature who had the gall to pose with the very infant whose parents were killed and to pose in such a mentally deranged manner? Not even stupid George W. Bush would do something this insane I think.

There’s no need for a rationale because it’s a nothing burger. Sick.

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Demosthenes's avatar

@mazingerz88 There are countless valid criticisms of Trump, but obsessing and nitpicking over every little inconsequential thing he does only serves to embolden those who view the opposition as “deranged”. The talk about actual policies gets drowned in a sea of talk about orange skin and awkward photos. I’m not a Trump supporter (I didn’t vote for him and I’d rather not vote than vote for him in 2020, which is likely unless Tulsi Gabbard is the Dem nominee), but I am anti-BS, and this is just another item of BS that distracts from real issues and valid criticism.

@raum I do think it’s interesting in that it illustrates the insurmountable chasm that separates fellow Americans from each other.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Desmosthenes Insurmoutable? Reps agree to take as many as possible, Dems agree anyone here is documented. No exceptions. Bipartisan support on border security, done.

mazingerz88's avatar

trump must be nitpicked to the very last detail of his atom and deserves to be humiliated and condemned for the evil that he is…everyday. This crazy inhumane stunt adds to the long list of why he’s a menace to this country.

People are dead and more will probably die soon because I’m betting his filthy mouth will never stop. Kids are suffering even as we speak. But people forget and then it’s on to the next news cycle.

Yellowdog's avatar

My last post was removed as a personal attack.

I will reiterate, however, that you are the one—not Trump, not Trump supporters, using the tragedy of an event that has seriously and permanently affected peoples lives as a soapbox for your political hatred—a tragedy that Trump had nothing to do with.

The man smiling on the extreme left is the baby’s uncle. The family were all Trump supporters,

Yesterday, Trump was a White Nationalist or White Supremist. Today its this image. There is no endless cycle of news—its all what the Left can bludgeon Trump with next..

chyna's avatar

The uncle is a fucking idiot too for grinning in a picture after losing loved ones. I couldn’t even fake a smile if that had happened to someone in my family.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@KNOWITALL . I have known Trump, for long before he was POTUS. He didn’t always act the same, as now. Not exactly. I’m hoping that there is still some hope, that he will effect some positive change. I’m not willing to put money on it. But I’m TRYING to give him a chance to change. He has, unfortunately, greatly disappointed me after his speech. But I don’t think he’s the devil.
I don’t expect him to accept any personal responsibility for some of these killings. But I’m giving him the opportunity to make some positive changes. Everyone, deserves multiple chances, to make a change. Now. It’s up to him, to show us, that he too can change…

mazingerz88's avatar

^^How does one change when separating kids from parents is a non-event to that person in power? When that person is incapable of imagining how a child suffers seeing walls and strangers everyday far from people who should be holding them close for comfort? trump and his campaign rally crowds feed off each other’s evil in celebration——-and the more they are opposed the more rabid they will become.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I didn’t day his base didn’t have evil people. First off… Trump haters, need to realize that only his supporters, give him more power than a crazy homeless man. Trump just a symptom. His supporters, are the disease.

It’s unlikely, but more realistic, that one man can change, than millions of his supporters. And I am willing to give Trump that opportunity. That’s all folks…

KNOWITALL's avatar

@mazinger888 What would you recommend? The kids are whisked away to warm safe place with cuddle nurses OR stay with parents in detention or ?

We care, but you need solution based thinking and less finger pointing imo.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

”.. .warm, safe cuddle places”? What alternate reality are you from @KNOWITALL? Kids are dying beside toilets, alone and forgotten.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess I’m asking what the solution is.

Personally, I think the warm, safe, loving space would benefit the kids, since parents have to be processed.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

The solution is to not throw human beings in to cages. There needs to be halfway places where people can wait, with their families, to be heard.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess I could get behind that. No one wants the kids suffering, regardless ofwhat media says.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Wasn’t there some set up like that before trump?

MrGrimm888's avatar

As with mass killings, there is NO east solution. It’s a problem with our culture. If I had an easy solution, I would be screaming it, from the fooftops.
Trump , is exacerbating the fear, and hate, from his base. If he would tone that down, I think there would be SOME progess… Some, is better, than nothing.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

What was the procedure beforeb trump?

MrGrimm888's avatar

There was/is no procedure for stopping it. But evidence shows, that a POTUS who has Trump’s rhetoric, makes everything worse.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Not for stopping it, but for humanely fielding the families who DO come.

mazingerz88's avatar

trump is not qualified to deal with the issue of immigration in the US. You need at the least a normal human being to do that not one that acts like a barking dog, which leads to all the other dogs in the entire neighborhood to bark as well.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess I’m sorry no on wants to answer you. Truth is, Obama had a lot to do with what currently exists. Everyone knows that, they just dont want to admit it.

Yellowdog's avatar

Trump has little to do with immigration policies. A lot of people, government agencies, and elected officials work on that.

Though I know how many of you hate Fox News, I sincerely think you could learn something about how it all works, based on who in charge of what, or working with what and where, are interviewed. YOUR news does not show the process—it only blames it on Trump and that’s about all it does, so I can understand why you are brainwashed into thinking its all about Trump,

No president, not even Obama, has/had the power to do the things you ascribe blame to Trump.

seawulf575's avatar

@MrGrimm888 I find it funny that you talk about Trump exacerbating the hate and fear from his base. You claim I’m part of his base. I don’t think he has ever said anything that caused me to hate or fear anyone. However, I see the constant bombardment of false reports and opinions presented as facts from the media where they are trying to create a whole narrative around Trump. If you take 90% of the “hate mongering” the left claims comes from Trump and dig back to the actual facts, you find the “hate” and “racism” was actually some interpretation from the left. Look at the Charlottesville fiasco. Trump was taking questions from reporters on the event. He made a comment that said there were very fine people on both sides. And the media went crazy broadcasting that he just called White Supremacists and Neo-Nazis “very fine people”. But when you go back and look at the entire exchange, he wasn’t talking about them. In fact, he denounced them several times. But because the media started blasting it 24/7, the liberal left picked it up and said “see? He IS a racist and is showing support for Neo-Nazis and White Supremacists!!!” So who really is exacerbating the hate and fear from which base?

MrGrimm888's avatar

Honestly, at this point, both parties, are adding to the division of the US. I concede to that point…

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Grimmy That“s what a few of us have been teying to say all along. Both parties protect The Family of elites and power. We are fighting eachother instead of them, playing right into their hands. Its obscene.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^That’s why I don’t vote. They’re all full of shit. And I don’t believe that ANY of them, care about anything, but being elelcted/reelected.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@MrGrimm Well I agree, but I cant give up. Just not in my blood.

Caravanfan's avatar

I’m firmly of the opinion that people who refuse to vote do not have the right to whine about the results.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@KNOW IT ALL . THAT’S respectful.

MrGrimm888's avatar

@Caravanfan . It’s your choice, if you want to play that game. PLEASE, do not include me, in the vetting, of one evil, versus the other…..

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