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josie's avatar

Is it better to despise the President or to adore the President?

Asked by josie (29503points) 2 weeks ago

Or should we always be skeptical of the motives of the ambitious?

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kritiper's avatar

More better to use common sense in deciding either.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

Before or after one sleeps with him?
(skeptical is good)

raum's avatar

Better to not have a fast rule to despise/adore someone just because of the position they hold.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

@raum -I could argue that. XD

raum's avatar

Unless we are talking about sleeping with someone. In which case, positions absolutely matter. :P

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

@raum -I’d be arguing that for a friend.

Demosthenes's avatar

It’s better for a person’s well-being to adore rather than despise. It’s not necessarily better for the nation or even the president, though.

kritiper's avatar

I voted for Obama twice but there were things he said and things he promoted that I didn’t agree with.

elbanditoroso's avatar

Two different questions there:

1) I would pity this president – not hate, not love, just pity him.

2) You should ALWAYS be suspicious of people who lust for power. Politicians are the worst, but all power-seekers cannot be trusted.

stanleybmanly's avatar

THE President or THIS President?

flutherother's avatar

It depends on the president and how he/she behaves.

MrGrimm888's avatar

If we’re talking about Trump, what is there to adore?

Sagacious's avatar

Neither adoration nor contempt are required. I believe we should respect the office of the president. We can’t always have the president we want. That is how it is in a democracy. We vote and then we support our president. That doesn’t mean we agree with everything he does or says. America has forgotten this basic tenet of democracy.

Castle's avatar

You should respect any president that gets elected. Nothing more is needed. Protests simply because someone you don’t like that got elected is very immature.

elbanditoroso's avatar

@Castle how naive.

You can respect the office of the president. But the person who IS the president – at least this one – deserves no respect at all. Respect is earned, not owed.

Blindly respecting an idiot is insulting to good people.

Castle's avatar

And blindly disrespecting who millions like is also insulting. I’m not arguing with you but please listen to yourself. No need in all the negativity. His time in office will end and then we’ll have someone else. Not everyone will like who’s President, ever. Not everyone will agree with you but please, don’t insult people just because they have a different view than you.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Millions loved Hitler. Should we all adore someone who has millions of followers?

Castle's avatar

Nope. Not at all.

Castle's avatar

And do you think they loved Hitler? No. Only a select few. The rest feared him.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I don’t respect Trump. Or his millions of supporters. The amount of supporters a person has gained through deception, and lies, does not mean that I, or anyone else, should automatically adore them. Fear, is not an excuse. Especially when revolution, is an option. Hillary won the popular vote, by Over 2 million. I don’t adore her either. Trump is not a dictator, nor a God king. He deserves the hate that people hang on him. Largely because he hung it on himself. The POTUS, usually deserves a level of respect. But Trump pissued that away. You can be a sheep, of you want. I won’t respect him, because of his amount of followers.

The fear you speak of, led to Antifa. A group who wouldn’t stang for a dictator.
The power of a democracy, lies within it’s people. Occasionally, the people have to rise together, and deal with a problematic leader. Like with Khadalfi. The masses, can get things done. It isn’t pretty. But is sometimes required.

Many European people risked/gave their lives, to fight back. Of course they were afraid. Buy they knew what had to be done, and helped overthrow a great evil.

Fear is no excuse.

kritiper's avatar

I can respsect the office of president, but I don’t have to kiss the president’s ass.

JLeslie's avatar

Does it have to be one of these extremes? Both sound bad to me. I don’t even know what to answer with these choices. I guess adoring is better, but it’s pretty scary too.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Good point. I liked Bill, and Obama, but found faults, in both…

LadyMarissa's avatar

I think it’s dangerous to “adore” any politician!!!
I also feel that it is emotionally unhealthy to “despise” any politician!!!
I prefer to be able to “admire” a politician!!!
Sad part is that there are very FEW admirable politicians out there!!!

Dutchess_III's avatar

The closest I came to “adoring” a political figure was _______. And I also adored his wife, _______. And their dog, ____ . And their girls, _______ & ________.
But what I adored about them was their relationship with each other, and with the country. It helped that he was a _______ guy, and sexy as hell! But he had a personality that transcended even that.

Other than that, when it comes to president, I try to listen carefully and respectfully (except for the orange rat. I shudder at the sound of his voice). I never got excited over upcoming State of the Union speeches with any of them, except for that guy I mentioned above. I loved to hear him talk. He was so eloquent and so damn intelligent. He’d say things that made you go “Hmmmmmm.”

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Castle

No, the millions adored Hitler. They may have latter feared him as well, but without their adoration he never could have acquired the power that he had. Without the adoration of millions Hitler would have been no more than a trivial footnote in German history – a failed wannabe revolutionary after being a failed artist.

Dutchess_III's avatar

From what I hear he was very charismatic. You have to understand, too, that the masses didn’t really understand what he was doing.

Aster's avatar

To despise or adore the POTUS are two extremes. Right now I feel sorry for the guy. He must be horribly angry and depressed.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I’m sure he’s furious with us, with everyone around him. I just hope, in his stupidity, he doesn’t get it in his head to throw the greatest temper tantrum the world has ever seen.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@Dutchess_III ” You have to understand, too, that the masses didn’t really understand what he was doing.”

Bullshit. He’d been telegraphing his intentions for years. He wrote a goddamn book about it.

MrGrimm888's avatar

If you watch Trump, and Hitler speak, at rallies. There are disturbing similarities. And both used similar strategies, to gain influence. They told the masses, that their plight was not their fault. They blamed ethnic groups, for their issues. And. If you look at the body language, it was also similar.

Dutchess_III's avatar

But trump is just fat and stupid.

stanleybmanly's avatar

And worse, he’s both mean and petty.

MrGrimm888's avatar

Trump isn’t, or wasn’t stupid. I again, recommend people watching his Stern interviews.

He is a narcissist, and separated from reality.

THAT hasn’t changed.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He is stump stupid @MrGrimm888. Seriously. He is stupid.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Maybe he is now… I’m not saying he was ever a genius. But as I’ve mentioned before, you should check out some of his Stern interviews.

He doesn’t know what he’s doing, as POTUS. But he never had any experience with that type of job. If he would actually listen to his advisors, and stop talking/tweeting so much. He’d appear much sharper…

Dutchess_III's avatar

No thank you.
He should never have applied for a “job” in which he has no experience what so ever. Especially not THAT position. He STILL thinks that he can do anything he wants because he’s president, and he’s frustrated that, actually, he has less freedom than he did as a civilian.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I didn’t elect him….

Dutchess_III's avatar

I didn’t either, but I did my part to try and ensure he wouldn’t be elected.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^The EC elected Trump. Your vote, didn’t matter…

Dutchess_III's avatar

I said, I did my part, unlike some who didn’t do a fucking thing and they’re somehow proud of that.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I didn’t vote. I concede my responsibility for Trump being POTUS.But my state is congruently red. With the EC. I don’t hold myselfor responsible.

Dutchess_III's avatar

My state is red too. I still voted.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Good for you. How’d that work out? Hillary won ,by over 2 million votes. Do you really feel that your vote matters, with an EC?

stanleybmanly's avatar

It would be convenient to be able to pin the fool on the electoral college, but let’s face it: the fact that this country could field low information dummies in numbers sufficient to give so visibly an imbecile slime bucket even a whisper of a prayer at the Presidency just shows what WE are made of. I can’t look at the man’s picture or hear his voice without feeling embarrassed for us all of us.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I think it sucks. But I can still hold my head up. I did not contribute to the moron getting the office, as did everyone who didn’t vote, or voted for a 3rd party, knowing they wouldn’t win.

MrGrimm888's avatar

But your vote, ultimately, didn’t matter… You just played the game…

Darth_Algar's avatar

And if every apathete who thinks “it doesn’t matter” would do something then it would matter. Shrugging your shoulders and saying “it doesn’t matter” is the surest way to guarantee that your voice, indeed, does not matter.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^My voice doesn’t matter. I’m not apathetic, I just refuse to take part, in what I consider a bullshit scam (American democracy.)

flutherother's avatar

@MrGrimm888 You might enjoy this video where Frank Zappa talks about US democracy 40 years ago. A lot of what he said is still rings true today.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I had a poster, of Zappa on the toilet . I’m a fan.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Exactly @Darth_Algar. Exactly. “If every [apathetic person] who thinks “it doesn’t matter” would do something then it would matter. Shrugging your shoulders and saying “it doesn’t matter” is the surest way to guarantee that your voice, indeed, does not matter.”

MrGrimm888's avatar

I’m not shrugging my shoulders, and being apathetic. But I don’t like the system. My state, is always red. And the popular vote, doesn’t matter. If you think you are contributing to the democracy, good for you.

I thought Trump, was a joke, and I didn’t like Hillary. But those were the only two realistic candidates. What was I supposed to do?

Dutchess_III's avatar

My state was red when Obama won.
I still say that if every person who didn’t vote, voted, trump would not be in office now.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^I concede your point, but I didn’t want Hillary either. That would have been the only realistic vote, that would have kept Trump out…

stanleybmanly's avatar

Of course the “either or” reality of our crooked 2 party system is corrupt through and through. But the fact that an ignorant thug was able to effectively supersede the traditional and knowledgeable criminals is mind boggling, and beyond the pale. If nothing else, the ensuing ordeal will focus us on just how great a mistake we are actually capable of enshrining on the ledger.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^Hillary won, by almost 3million votes.IMO. The EC, was what failed us.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I think you are much more the optimist than I. I also believe you accord our voting public greater cognizance than they clearly exhibit. To this day I really don’t believe that we truly are aware of just how effective the 35 year campaign of badmouthing Hillary has been. There is no one in the history of this country that has sat under sustained and relentless attack to the extent of the Clintons. We have also never seen a politician more maligned and accused of such scurrilous malfeasance yet never face credible prosecution for said offenses. Clinton may not be exactly my cup of tea, but I seriously suspect that those 30 years of negative bad mouthing have a great deal to do with it. But here’s the deal—if Clinton is absolutely guilty of every crime the fool and his cohorts claim, she is still the “greater man” by orders of magnitude. In a rational America, Trump wouldn’t be fit to change her bed pan, let alone oppose her in an election.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Do you think things would be this bad under Hillary @MrGrimm888? Could you not see this coming under trump? Hillary wasn’t my first candidate of choice, either, but I did what needed to be done to keep trump out. It was my only choice. And she would have been a thousand times better than trump.

From what I understand, the EC did it’s job the way it was supposed to be done. However, I really don’t understand how it works.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^I refused to validate Hillary, just to keep Trump out. You call that doing your part, yet you sound like you sold out…

There’s no way to know that Hillary would have been better/more effective, than Trump. Although, if I were a betting man, I’d say things would be better.

But let’s look at things, that the POTUS has control over. Trump’s biggest problems, are with trade wars, foreign relations, and dividing the country.
And, of course, border security.

1. The country was already, clearly divided, or Trump wouldn’t have been elected.

2. Foreign relationships, are bad. But from what I have read, most countries are willing to wait out Trump, and then get back to a good relationship with the US. They understand that Trump, is just a virus, and will pass.

3. Trade was not in US favor. The tariffs will hurt everyone. Maybe that’s what we all needed. To see that Trump was NOT a deal maker. Perhaps, that will open a lot of eyes.

4. Border security. We’ve all seen what Trump’s policies have achieved. Nothing. Perhaps that will open American eyes, as well.

Sometimes, people can learn what not to do. By observation. Maybe a lot of American people, will see that this was all a YUGE mistake. And change their minds…

Right now. Most polls show that at least 51% of American people support impeachment. That means that some people have buyers remorse. So… Hopefully, this will be a learning experience for some.

Hillary, may have gotten the US involved in a few more military conflicts, to show that she was not “weak.” That alone, is worth the price of Trump’s presidency. To me.

Trump may have opened eyes of other countries, as well. They may work with us better now, knowing what it’s like with a dictator in charge of the most powerful country in the world.

Trump may have taught America, and other countries, a lesson. Like being in a bad relationship with bad people, doesn’t help anything. Many Trump supporters, wanted to have a person who would shake up the way the government ran. Seeing the mostly negative ramifications of his behavior, may change their minds.

Sometimes, a dark night, can bring about a sunny day…

The alt-right, will never change. They are a lost cause. But polls show, that even some of them, are not happy with Trump. Maybe their thick skulls, can be changed as well…

Dutchess_III's avatar

I don’t much care what your opinion is when it comes to politics @MrGrimm888. You couldn’t be bothered to help out last go around so go away.

MrGrimm888's avatar

I am “gone away.” I don’t participate in this bullshit game, of American politics. But I have the right, to criticism. I have the right to free speech.

These are rights afforded me, by the constitution.

If not voting for Hillary, is not “helping out,” write your congressmen, and senators. Maybe they will care, about me not voting. IMO. A non-vote, is a powerful tool. If you, and others didn’t participate in this game, you wouldn’t have Trump in office either. But you chose to legitimize Trump, by voting. You’re just as responsible, as me. It NOBODY voted, the government would be forced to make sweeping changes…

You may as well have voted Trump in yourself. Because you legitimize the process. Vote again, in 2020. See if your vote matters then…. It won’t. Hillary won the popular vote, by 3 million votes. Trump still won… Your logic, holds no water, until the EC, is abolished. Otherwise, the way I see it, 3 million people wasted their time in 2016. They would have had a better America, if they cleaned their house, or sold drugs that day.

How much money did YOU lose, by wasting your time voting? I was working. I am not a rich man, but I have an extra $140, and while the sheep stood in line voting for one of two candidates that didn’t deserve to be POTUS, I paid my bills.

Go ahead. Waste your time, and money, again in 2020. Then talk to me about who is not helping out. You didn’t help your family, by being off that day. And Trump win anyways! From that perspective, I don’t feel foolish, AT ALL. And your state voted red. So… Your vote DIDN’T MATTER. Your voice WASN’T HEARD. Your opinion WASN’T IMPORTANT. You could have made more of a difference for you and yours, by selling oranges, on the sidewalk. Yet you debase me, for not contributing to the one thing I can control. My financial situation.

If America wants to make the process right, or make me vote, I will. But, until then, it’s a bullshit game, for the sheep.

Trump is deplorable, and I had NO respect for Hillary. Do you expect me to “help out,” when I don’t like either, but could put money in my pocket instead?

Just stop. Whether you voted for Trump, or Hillary, you validated the winner. Congratulations. YOU got Trump elected. I made money. Smart move….

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