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stanleybmanly's avatar

Whatever came of all that hoopla about the caravan?

Asked by stanleybmanly (24153points) February 11th, 2020

Have the murderous hordes descended yet on you and your grandchildren?

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SQUEEKY2's avatar

Didn’t the arm forces beat them back at the border, after caging their children like animals?
Don’t worry your country is safe once again thanks to your orange hair protector, the wealthy are free once again to exploit the less fortunate.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, yeah. And now I have brown grandchildren. Wanna see pictures?

elbanditoroso's avatar

I think that the great big beautiful $50 billion wall is doing its job.

Right, the one that isn’t built and isn’t needed

janbb's avatar

@elbanditoroso Unfortunately, it is being built (through Native burial grounds in places) and is already falling down in places. What a stupid waste of money.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

The drug cartel is out buying up all the battery operated SUPER SAWZALL’s cuts through the wall in a couple minutes. Also they hired some of the best miner/tunnel makers in the world.

Also digging up native American graveyards. SMH

Bozo got his phallic symbol.

Sagacious's avatar

The money source ordered them back on the buses but they’ll be back. Only a couple weeks ago there was a huge caravan of women and children headed here up through Mexico. There were two pictures in the article and I could not find a single woman or child. I have not seen anything else about that one.

cookieman's avatar

What we weren’t told is that it was a horde of turtles.

They are still en route.

Yellowdog's avatar

There were over twenty caravans, Over a million illegal immigrants in 2018 and 2019 charged our border patrol,

The threat of sanctions have caused Mexico to start apprehending them at their southern (Guatemala) border. and new wall construction and fencing have stopped many in the past six months.

KNOWITALL's avatar

I read that they are waiting us out in Mexico. Seriously.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

How are they waiting you(the US)out?? @KNOWITALL

KNOWITALL's avatar

@SQUEEKY To see if Trump stays or goes.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@KNOWITALL they should just marching soon.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Tropical_Willie To here or away from here?

Tropical_Willie's avatar

To here !
They can push over the wall with five people. And not all brown-skinned people are “nasty and evil” like POTUS calls them !

Yellowdog's avatar

I’m really surprised (no offense, @stanleybmanly—you are not the first on Fluther to ask about this topic) that ANYONE cannot know about the caravans, the wall, and Mexico’s roll in stopping the caravans and other illegal migrants. This has been a pretty major segment of news and history the past couple of years.

Is this what is meant by an “information crisis”?

stanleybmanly's avatar

I am aware of every one of those facts. But there hasn’t been so much as a peep on the subject here in several months. No whipping up from the right on the bugaboo of Mexicans flooding the country to perpetrate massive voter fraud. I expect the prosecution of stinky has distracted the wing nuts and their harpy adherents. Where’s the usual strident panic? Wanna bet the fool will raise the topic soon with some sort of atrocity against migrants? Or do you suppose he’s lying low for fear that his hot ass will be hauled back in front of the House?

Yellowdog's avatar

The Caravans are from Central America and maybe some South America but not Mexico, and the Mexicans are primarily protecting us, as congress has made every effort to obstruct any accomplishment of Trump, such as the wall., About twelve hundred miles of wall have been built even with the congress working against Trump at this goal, and that, along with cooporation from Mexico, has greatly ebbed the tide of Central American caravans.

Any Democrat would open the border merely to spite those who voted for a wall. You obviously hate Trump, but if you don’t vote for him, you lose your country.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

but if you don’t vote for him, you lose your country.<YOU really believe that??!!^^
OMG, and democrats are not throwing the doors wide open immigrants still have to be vetted .
There are those that claim political asylum but that is different.
I am going say whatever news source you are using IS FAKE NEWS!!

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Yellowdog you just don’t seem to understand that you have effectively lost your country if the devil presides over it. There is something profoundly ajar if you have aspirations toward the ministry and yet do not recognize evil when it is virtually and cruelly undisguised and OUT IN THE OPEN.

MrGrimm888's avatar

My wife was killed. My children were rapped. They took my job.
There are countless people imprisoned, in my shed. Because of the Latino gangsters. ~

Oh. Wait. My country, is rapidly turning into a dictatorship. That’s what is really happening…

Dutchess_lll's avatar

@Yellowdog “The Caravans are from Central America and maybe some South America but not Mexico…” man, the imaginary “caravans” were on foot. This means if they were from Central America or South America they had to come up through Mexico.
Mexico is now “protecting” us?
Where do you crazy people come up with this shit? If Mexico is “protecting” us, why do we need a wall?

Jons_Blond's avatar

We’ll hear about them once we have a Democratic nominee.

KNOWITALL's avatar

It’s so odd to me that both Clintons and Obama were against illegal immigration,as well as open borders, and Trump is the ‘bad guy’ now. I don’t understand how you rationalize that discrepancy.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Of course they were against illegal immigration and open borders. But they weren’t ruthlessly cruel and savage about it, and tried to find a legal pathway to help whoever they could.
I guess they just weren’t Christian enough.

Yellowdog's avatar

I’ve heard they even make them play soccer and get medical treatment,

Bill Clinton, Bush II and Obama put them in “cages”, The media used a lot of the 2014 imagery to bring about abolition of the practice in October 2017.

janbb's avatar

@Yellowdog I call B.S. They won’t even let doctors into the detention camps or give the kids hygiene products.

Yellowdog's avatar

They have doctors, food, clothing, medicine, and most detention facilities are very well stocked, even though the democrats in congress has blocked funding “of the concentration camps”.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Bullshit. You’re drinking the Koolaid again.

janbb's avatar

@Yellowdog Here;s just one article about the terrible conditions in detention camps. And this is a report from the Department of Homeland Security. I guess they’re lying Commie bastards.

There are many. Either pull your head out of the sand or stop pretending to be a Christian.

Dutchess_III's avatar

It didn’t link @janbb. Page error.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

And he is gone, to go back and make up some fairy tale at how wonderful Trump is and how evil the left is.

By the way @janbb I heard on our Canadian news that American Doctors wanted to look in on these caged children for FREE and were refused by the authorities.
Now there’s compassion from the right.

janbb's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Yes, I’ve read that too.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_lll @janbbb Every time you use religion as a tool to try to hurt others here, I laugh. God still using you, girls, and you don’t even see it. That’s pretty cool.

@Yellowdog See He is here. They bring it up to us, not vice versa. Mysterious ways indeed.

janbb's avatar

Mmm-kay.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@janbb
Would you say what you did to a Muslim or Buddhist for disagreeing with you over politics?

Do you want me to post links of other religious groups supporting Trump so you can disparage them, too?

I take in people’s posts, @Yellowdog is going thru some big life changes. Instead of being hateful about our supposed lack of compassion, why don’t you try being a good example of it yourselves? The irony is staggering.

MrGrimm888's avatar

^We could definitely tone down the personal stuff…

SQUEEKY2's avatar

I AGREE @MrGrimm888 but our fright wing friends have to as well.

chyna's avatar

@Yellowdog Source please where they have doctors, food, clothing and schooling for these kids.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@chyna This sucks on my phone. Maybe @Yellowdog will come back.

But there’s a lot of bias to shift thru honestly.

Here’s mean old Trump trying:
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/07/01/Donald-Trump-signs-46-billion-border-aid-bill/9461562023629/

Dutchess_lll's avatar

@KNOWITALL…when they carry on and on about their rightous Christianity, then start systematically dismantling protections for certain groups, in God’s name, you bet there is going to be push back. It would be criminal NOT to push back. Ask God. Go ahead. I’ll wait.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess You ask Obama or Hillary. :D Oh wait, they already both spoke vociferously against the same system!

Also please read this article from an expert on immigration. May be a little too factual and realistic for ya’ll but I enjoyed it.

https://cis.org/Report/Why-Alien-Detention-Necessary

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Detaining immigrant families humanly during the vetting process is fine.
WHAT IS NOT FINE IS RIPPING FRIGHTENED LITTLE KIDS FROM THEIR FAMILIES AND LEAVING THEM TO DIE, ALONE AND COLD ON THE FLOOR BESIDE TOILETS.
Geez .
Read the reality

How can you condone this with your silence and face your Jesus?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_III Using your link, these kids appeared to be sick upon arrival. One died after a month in the hospital. They are probably weak and sick from the journey. Is that our fault?

Do you feel terrible about the 92 year old woman raped by an illegal criminal immigrant?

I can go tit for tat on sad stories but we both know it’s all a bad situation that needs fixed. If Obama couldn’t do it in 8 years what do you want us to do?

Oh you’ll face Him, too.

Dutchess_lll's avatar

Jesus. The kids coming in now are just as sick as they’ve always been. However “At least seven children are known to have died in immigration custody since last year, after almost a decade in which no child died while in the custody of U.S. Customs and Border Protection.

The fact that I am outraged and you are complacent actually supports your idea that I am doing God’s work” and don’t know it.”
Well, at least one of us is doing it.

Tropical_Willie's avatar

@Dutchess_lll remember it is okay by (dictator wannabe rules) to kill, maim and separate brown skin kids at the US Border !

When in doubt kill them because they are “Brown Skined” and in Trumps words “NASTY”!!

Dutchess_lll's avatar

He is a heartless, sadisitic, cruel man.
But, you know. A true man of God. A true disciple of Jesus.

YARNLADY's avatar

Trumpeters have very short attention spans

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_lll Yep Reps, Trump, Hillary and Obama, all on the same page.
I bet you haven’t done jack to help those kids so watch yourself on the sanctimony. Sister Val.

MrGrimm888's avatar

This has become a personal attack thread. I’m out…
Have fun insulting each other, over things that nobody here were involved with.

Deuces….

KNOWITALL's avatar

@MrGrimm You right. Every conversation ends this way here now. No intellectual arguments at all. Thanks for the reminder, Grimmy.

Dutchess_III's avatar

Here is the article you linked above. It only let me read it so far then it blocked me unless I subscribed which I’m not going to do. This didn’t help your argument at all.

Why Border Patrol Refuses to Offer Flu Shots to Migrants

Several doctors were arrested during a protest this week after they were refused permission to administer free flu vaccines to migrants.
Doctors and other health care providers asked this week to give flu shots to migrants at a Border Patrol facility in San Ysidro, Calif.
Doctors and other health care providers asked this week to give flu shots to migrants at a Border Patrol facility in San Ysidro, Calif.Credit…K.C. Alfred/The San Diego Union-Tribune
Miriam Jordan

By Miriam Jordan

Dec. 11, 2019

LOS ANGELES — Since last December, three migrant children have died from influenza in facilities along the southwestern border, where migrants routinely complain that cold temperatures sicken children, and where physicians have reported that crowded conditions spread illnesses.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, concerned that infectious respiratory illnesses were spreading in congested border facilities, this year recommended flu vaccinations “at the earliest point of entry” for migrants who are 6 months or older.

But Customs and Border Protection officials have refused to put a vaccination program into effect, arguing that most migrants spend less than 72 hours in Border Patrol facilities.

The controversy came to a flash point this week, when about 20 medical professionals hauling coolers with flu vaccines showed up at a migrant detention center near San Diego, announcing their plan to inoculate everyone inside the facility who consented.

The physicians and nurses, members of a new health-focused immigrant-rights organization, were told to return the next day for a meeting with border officials, only to hear that they would not be allowed to provide the free shots.

“Of course Border Patrol isn’t going to let a random group of radical political activists show up and start injecting people with drugs,” the Department of Homeland Security’s press secretary said on Twitter.

Trying to provide flu shots to everyone during the few days they spend in Border Patrol custody does not make sense, officials said, because those who go on to be held in longer-term detention facilities routinely receive vaccinations.

The border agency, which invited the C.D.C. to inspect its facilities about a year ago, said it had significantly expanded its medical programs, with more than 250 health care employees now working along the border.

“To try and layer a comprehensive vaccinations system onto that would be logistically very challenging for a number of reasons,” the agency said in a statement. “The system and process for implementing vaccines — including vaccine supply chains, quality control, documentation, informed consent — are already in place at other steps in the immigration process as appropriate.”

Officials at Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which is responsible for longer-term detention of migrants in the United States, said the agency had an annual mass flu vaccination program. Children are offered vaccines “appropriate for their age,” and adults are offered varicella vaccinations as needed to avoid chickenpox.

The Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees long-term shelters for migrant children, said it also provided vaccinations, including flu shots, according to federal guidelines.

But doctors who are urging the agency to provide flu shots at the border note that many migrants who arrive there are not being sent to the long-term detention facilities in the United States where the vaccinations are provided. Under the Trump administration’s new, more restrictive policies, thousands are being sent back to Mexico, where many wait in teeming, unhealthy border camps.

And many — including Border Patrol agents — have complained about the risk of disease transmission in crowded border facilities. Many migrants are ill when they are apprehended, or become ill shortly after arriving at Border Patrol processing facilities.

Christopher Cabrera, a vice president of the local union of Border Patrol agents in the Rio Grande Valley, the Border Patrol’s busiest region, spoke in an interview in April about the disease and illness in the building.

“The majority of our agents get sick,” said Mr. Cabrera, who has been a Border Patrol agent for 17 years. “Infectious disease is everywhere. There’s always scabies in there. Usually we have chickenpox. We have tuberculosis in there. You name it, it’s probably been through that building.”

Representative Rosa L. DeLauro, Democratic of Connecticut, said it was “unconscionable” that Customs and Border Protection remained opposed to vaccinating migrants in its custody.

“Public health officials at the C.D.C. gave guidance and recommendations to Customs and Border Protection officials regarding flu season,” said Ms. DeLauro, chair of the House Appropriations subcommittee that oversees funding for the Department of Health and Human Services. “Yet recent reports indicate that C.B.P. officials are unlikely to vaccinate children and families at the border to safeguard them and others from influenza.”

The C.D.C. sent three teams at the beginning of the year to examine Border Patrol detention facilities in El Paso and Yuma, Ariz., with a special focus on respiratory infections.

In a 27-page report, which was reviewed by The New York Times, the C.D.C. advised giving vaccinations as soon as possible to newly arrived migrants, one of a series of recommendations that led to the recent increase in health care workers.

Since last year, several medical groups, including the American Academy of Pediatrics, have raised an alarm over medical care in border facilities.

The group that led this week’s inoculation effort, Doctors for Camp Closure, represents about 2,000 medical professionals and students. The organization had been working for more than a month to win approval for a pilot program to inoculate those in Customs and Border Protection custody, said Dr. Marie DeLuca, a co-founder who was among six people arrested on Tuesday at the Border Patrol’s regional headquarters in Chula Vista, Calif.

“After more than one year of inaction, we feel that it is important to show that we are serious and ready to provide flu vaccinations,” said Dr. DeLuca, who is an emergency medicine physician from New York.

When the group received no response from Customs and Border Protection about its vaccination proposal, about 20 people from the volunteer team arrived at the Border Patrol’s processing facility in Chula Vista on Monday with 120 doses of the flu vaccine.

Dr. DeLuca said the group was not allowed into the facility and was told to have two of its representatives return the next day for a meeting with border officials.

On Tuesday, after Customs and Border Protection officially rebuffed the group’s offer, doctors, nurses and other supporters protested outside the Border Patrol headquarters nearby. Several demonstrators blocked entrances to the building. Four doctors were among the six people who were arrested and released about an hour later.

“What is at stake are adverse health outcomes and risk of death in a detention center,” said Mario Mendoza, an anesthesiologist who was among those arrested. He said he was 7 when he arrived in the United States as an undocumented immigrant. “All we want to do is give passive medical treatment through flu vaccinations,” he said.

Manny Fernandez contributed reporting from Houston and Zolan Kanno-Youngs from Washington.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@KNOWITALL If these Doctors were refused to offer free help and vaccinations to these children by the authorities , how is @Dutchess_III supposed to help?
And you say that evil Obama was doing the same thing, BUT @Yellowdog said the democrats just wanted to throw open the borders to the world.
I am a bit confused.
I can’t understand why anyone would want in ,in the land of Trump.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@SQUEEKY2 Americans can write or email or use social media to contact their reps to put pressure on the administration. People can go down to the border and hand things thru the fence. We can freely travel to Mexico and other countries and help the people there, many organizations do. There’s a lot people can do if they choose to. Arguing on a site does nothing productive.

The whole point with Hillary and Obama is that they were very against illegal immigration, which is why Obama was called the Deporter in Chief. It’s just hypocritical to blame Trump for a situation he didn’t create, cages he didn’t commission, buildings he didn’t build, a broken system he had nothing to do with creating. Especially when Obama had EIGHT YEARS to do something.

Honestly, I don’t expect you to have followed American politics as long as we all have, but that’s why it’s so frustrating to us that all this blame is being heaped on Trump by Dems, when they’ve done nothing but harass and distract him for his entire term. The next Dem that wins in 2024 (see it’s very predictable), will probably face the same difficulties if the American people and our government don’t straighten up.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He was referring about going to the camps to help, not Mexico or anywhere else.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Your words Obama had 8 years to fix the problem and did nothing,OK.
Trump has had 4 and has done nothing as well except children on Trumps watch are dying in custody under Trumps watch.
And we hear Doctors are refused to offer free help to these children, and you get mad when the Don Father is blamed for this?
Who is the world supposed to blame? Obama ? He has been out of office for 4 years time for ole orange hair to stand up and take the blame.
OR DO SOMETHING TO FIX SAID PROBLEM!
Besides booby trapping the border and machine gunning them down.

Yellowdog's avatar

The Democrats in congress have refused to fund any aid to improve the border situation. But they have been very critical of it, and lie a lot, The border patrol and local law enforcement have shown us the whole picture many times, on programs and networks which consistently get it right, but you do not watch, and constantly, constantly insult,

Trump abolished the “putting children in cages” in October of 2017. Families stay together, The situation goes back to the 1990s and grew massive under Obama. It was abolished by Trump during his eighth month in office. Obama claimed many times he could not do anything about the problem,

One cannot get any sort of a grasp on reality, including the rescue work done by the border patrol, the food and medical aid, if all of your information is anti-Trump hysteria and propaganda,

SQUEEKY2's avatar

By refusing aid you mean fund the Don Father’s so called wall!
But why do we still hear of children dying in custody?
And Doctors being refused to offer them free help?

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Sorry @Yellowdog I actually looked for what you claimed and couldn’t find it.
Did find this among many more.https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/immigration-kids-trump-flores-concentration-camps/

stanleybmanly's avatar

We all get the idea on what the turd would regard as “improvements”. Of course there’s resistance from Democrats to funding punitive persecution of migrants. Give the devil money for ANYTHING regardless of purpose, and you can rest assured that it will be put to use in devising something hellish.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

Careful @stanleybmanly you are talking about @Yellowdog‘s hero.

Yellowdog's avatar

What exactly can’t you find, @SQUEEKY2 ?

There are plenty of articles claiming Trump did it for the wrong motive, like, not because kids were in cages, but because of the public outrage.

I’m sure that public outrage was a factor. It brought it to Trump’s attention. But the practice had been going on since 1996. And the footage we were seeing in the fall of 2017 was from 2014.

chyna's avatar

Source and proof @yellowdog?
You spout stuff you can never back up. You’re ridiculous.

SQUEEKY2's avatar

@Yellowdog if you can’t post a link at least tell us what site to go to other than that I simply do not believe you, because you’re coming across so fright wing I can see you wearing a white robe with a pointed cap.

And I don’t mean that as an insult but as others have stated you say things so out there that really does need some proof as to where you got it, we know you love all things Trump, that alone shocks me seeing you say you live in poverty because of your disability.

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