The southern states or the prairies. Maybe Alberta, but not Manitoba or Saskatchewan. Of course, I say this without having visited any provinces other than Ontario or Quebec. The prairies just seem too flat and boring.
Yeah it is, @Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard, but some years ago with a different government in place we were jokingly referred to as the 53th state of the US (the UK being the 52nd those days).
I would love to move away from here though.
@bob_ so all of them? Pretty much every state has its share of rednecks. Though some obviously have more than others. Just last night I watched an entire family of rednecks get engulfed in the premature explosion of one of those huge mortar shells that blew about 5 feet off the ground. When the smoke cleared, nobody was hurt, but they were hootin’ and hollerin’ like they had just had the thrill of their lives. Part of the shrapnel hit my Jeep too. I was pissed.
Los Angeles… I’ve heard of it referred to as the drain of America (where all the crap swirls), and I couldn’t think of a better description!
I lived there two years, and sacrificed quite a bit to get the hell out:
The entire infrastructure needs to be torn down and rebuilt. Everything is EXTREMELY overpriced for less (much less).
You never know when the next earthquake is passing through, and for being so close to the beach it’s useless. You have to pay an outrageous amount to park at the beach after spending an hour looking for parking, only to sit on the overcrowded sand and not go in the water because its 60 degrees.
The government takes more money than almost anywhere else and who knows WHERE it’s going, b/c it’s not to schools, roads, honest public servants, or anywhere else I looked.
And this isn’t even the beginning of my list… I would love to live in other parts of Cali though.
Oh yea, and it’s the gang capitol of the world, but the top ranking law enforcement officers don’t allow citizens their 2nd amendment right to carry. And this isn’t the only right LA violates on a daily basis.
Why all the Florida hate? I’ve never lived there, but I’ve been going there on vacation at least once a year since I was born. I’ve always thought it would be a cool place to live. I’m pretty sure St. Augustine is where I’m going to wind up living at some point. That town rocks.
@jonsblond ah, I get ya. Humidity doesn’t bother me at all. In fact, I kind of like it. I guess it’s the Creole bastard in me, or the fact that I live in a part of East Tennessee that is actually considered a temperate rainforest.
The summer heat is bad enough where I am, but, it is only a few weeks total out the entire year, and the nights are nice and there is lots of trees and shade and my ice cold river with snow pack runoff from the high Sierras which, withon an hour of my house there is still many areas that have snow on the ground as late as now!
I think 100–103 sucks, forget 110, 12, 15, 20 with no green, no cold rivers and no trees.
I dislike Florida because of the weather, the people vacationing, and the people who retire there. They also have a fairly high number of people with AIDS (I was told in the elderly populations that no longer have to worry about pregnancy) I realize these are silly reasons but just my personal reasons for saying no to Florida (besides that they dropped the ball with Casey Anthony) I think IL is quite corrupt as far as government goes and outside of Chicago I’d say it’s worse than Missouri (where I am from sadly) I’m not going to lie Texas scares the piss out of me and the weather would certainly kill me. The southern parts that I’ve visited have had a bit of racisim which I can’t tolerate. My silly reasons but how I arrived at my answer. Not trying to offend anybody on Fluther.
Disclaimer, my apologies for such atrocious grammar, “is” instead of “are”...missed words…okay, I’ll fess up, just got home from work, it is 98 degrees in the shade and I have had 3 Pacificos and a wee bit of smoke’m peace pipe. Coloma is relaxing before dinner! Haha
I had close relatives living there for sixteen years and went to visit about ten times. The weather, IMHO, is miserable. Hazy, hot, humid – nasty. My absolute least favorite type of weather. Nothing worse than a big guy sweating like a pig and sticking to everything in sight. Ugh.
Although, I admit, Saint Augustine does look cool. Maybe I’ll visit in January when the weather is tolerable.
Yes, humidity is the deal breaker beyond heat. The heat here is a dry heat with delta breezes that waft up from the valley about 45 miles below and a 2000 ft. elevation that cools the nights down to perfect, naked all night temps. haha
I have never been to Florida, but, traveling in Asia is similar I am sure. 72 degrees with like 99% humidity…nasty! haha
It was funny, the other night at a 4th fireworks in the park event, in a neighboring community, I was joking in line in the womens restroom.
One of those outdoor cinderblock buildings that always is humid inside and has foggy mirrors.
I said that if anyone had never been to Asia that they were experiencing Taiwan right now LOL
If I had to pick just one then it would be Texas, with Ohio a close second.
However, the truth is that am only willing to live in states that have a Canadian border and a coastline. (I make an exception for VT as it’s only an hour’s drive to the Atlantic, and pretty similar to NH.)
Any of the states that were Southern during the civil war. Southern belle types rub me the wrong way. I know every southern woman is not one, but I’d just as soon avoid the opportunity of finding out who is who.
@CaptainHarley Too hot, too dry, and with the possible exception of Austin, I would feel unwelcome to the point of actually being scared for my life. Face it, Texas in general isn’t a great place for a Yankee like me.
@Symbeline Illinois encourages gang bangers and other vermin to keep and carry loaded firearms on their person. Especially in Chicago, that has the highest or maybe second or third highest murder rates in the country. Sounds fun huh?
Alaska. I know it’s a beautiful state with its mountains and glaciers, but I don’t think I could live in such an isolated place that is freezing in winter, gets dark so early in the fall and winter, and where there’s little “culture” and “urban excitement”. Besides, I would be forced to wear heavy dirty boots and not my good ol’ shiny shoes. :D
@MRSHINYSHOES That also applies to much of New England. Before moving to Seattle, I spent eight years living in the woods where it sometimes snowed a couple of feet in a night, sometimes got cold enough to make your balls go into your ribcage, our driveway and the mile of road connecting it to the nearest pavement were inches-deep mud at least two months a year, and it was about a twenty minute drive to the nearest actual town.
@woodcutter I used to see that on the roadside… or in the middle of the road. I kind of miss being able to nab my thanksgiving turkey with the front bumper of my car.
@jerv I don’t mind cold (eg., every summer I go swimming in the nude at a remote lake in the country with my family, in water that’s about 40 to 45 F.). It’s below freezing (like minus 30 F) I hate, where your eyelashes turn frosty, where everything ends up in your ribcage (I mean my balls), and where your spit instantly freezes after just a minute exposed to the frigid air. Yes, I hate that kind of weather.
@Sunny2 I have only met one Southern Belle in the 21 years I have lived in the south and in all my travels down here. I think you would be ok.
@Plucky and you would be correct in your assumption. Shooting and collecting guns is my favorite hobby and I don’t want to live anywhere that makes that difficult, and Illinois’ FOID system would just be a huge pain in my ass.
@Fiddle_Playing_Creole_Bastard I know ..you’re like one of those crazy gun loving jellies. I won’t hold it against you though – you’re just too darn adorable. :P
I’ve always wanted to shoot one of those old hand guns ..like this. Just for fun of course, lol.
Dude, Texas holds no terror for those who either just visit or who come to stay. I don’t know where you got those ideas, but the only one that holds any water is that the State sometimes truly does get a bit too hot. : )
@CaptainHarley I got that idea from damn near every Texan I’ve ever dealt with, and the people I know who used to live there and are so happy to now be elsewhere. The types of things I see in the news about Texas don’t help either.
@woodcutterIllinois encourages gang bangers and other vermin to keep and carry loaded firearms on their person. Especially in Chicago, that has the highest or maybe second or third highest murder rates in the country
Really? Give us some facts, please. You can provide some basis for those claims, correct?
@CaptainHarley Executing more people than the rest of the nation combined, including innocent men and the mentally incompetent. Editing textbooks to promote Creationism and dent the existence of Evolution as opposed to presenting both and letting people decide for themselves which is true. Things like that.
Add in the stories I’ve heard from those who moved elsewhere, and it’s clear that Texas isn’t a place I would ever want to live. If nothing else, I found the culture there to be more foreign than any Asian country I’ve visited.
@jonsblond I think the IL opinions above are odd. Many times our local news will show a story of a single mom who moved to Milwaukee to “get her kids away from the gang banging streets of Chicago”...the mom is in tears because one or two of her kids were shot to death in a gang incident here…little did the mom know this chilling fact. Our murder rate is down, much in part to our new police chief getting more officers on bikes and in small city stations ;) but it still isn’t “good”
I’m going to add Antarctica to my list. Had a friend that went to work there at the science station for almost a year, and all he talked about were the massive whiteouts. They had to string up ropes between the buildings just so they could get around without getting lost. And the temp would get down in the -50’s. UGH.
@SpatzieLover Most of us who live downstate hate that many people think of Illinois as just Chicago. There’s a whole different world outside of the city. Oh well. That is an interesting fact about Milwaukee. It’s obvious many people who aren’t familiar with Wisconsin think the larger cities are safe.
@jaytkay I already posted a link just above^^ for @jonsblond . Now for the other one. What more encouragement does a gangbanger need when they all know that their potential victims are going to be easy to roll? They have guns anyway irregardless of any law against doing that because they don’t pay attention to such laws. Why would they? Sure ordinary folks can carry a gun unloaded while in a box or case of some kind. That’s sort of tipping the balance of power toward those who intend to commit crimes including murder. Tell us, what good is a gun thats intended purpose is for protection ,if it’s all closed up in a box? It will be useless in an emergency.
Its all in the confidence. Confidence is what encourages people to attempt things that are challenging. No confidence- less chance of even trying. An unarmed person can be attacked with greater confidence from the attacker if said attacker is pretty sure he will prevail.
Let’s just say for the sake of argument that Chicago is not within the top most “apt to be murdered” cities in the US. With their strict gun ordinances it should be among the safest places to live but it is not, is it? It’s the same for NYC, and DC. So what gives? More gun controls- more dead people? The math is fuzzy. http://www.cityrating.com/citycrime.asp?city=Chicago&state=IL Here in this chart it’s looking like Chicago murder rate is 2.7 times the natl. averege. That’s almost 3 times worse or 300% more? www.city-data.com/forum/city-vs-city/856004-city-murder-rates-2009-a.html Here is another listing that is none too flattering of Chicago.
Not trying to pick on Chicago but damn dude,you asked.
@woodcutter You stated Illinois encourages illegal gun ownership. And you provided no evidence. Also, thanks for the mishmash of links proving that murder rates have nothing to gun laws. NYC and San Francisco are very low, Chicago is better than Dallas and Memphis.
I spend time in some of the worst neighborhoods in Chicago. The crime is bad. But not worse than any other big city in the US.
And I live in a low-crime neighborhood in Chicago. My biggest annoyance lately is my neighbor’s loud air conditioner.
Thanks again for confirming that you are making baseless allegations.
@jaytkay OK you misread me on the state actually encouraging the bad guys to carry loaded guns. No they don’t openly do that. They do it in a de-facto way when they make it a crime for the lawful to do it. The law only applies to those who obey it, in all practicality. The people who are inclined to do crime are encouraged because they hold the trump card every time. They are aware that the law abiding are disarmed…pretty handy information to have when you’re thinking about doing anything bad to someone don’t you think?
As for the links, it looks like you dismissed them out of hand as well as pretty much all of my postings on this thread so we are at an impasse. Go ahead ,move your family to Illinois, Chicago in particular, it’s your life.
Illinois is the only state in the union who won’t let ordinary folk carry for self defense. You should see almost zero crime at all there then. I guess they must be doing something right, eh?
I’ve raised my children here for the past 19 years. They’ve attended some great schools and received an excellent education. Still are. And not one of us has been hit by a bullet. In fact, I’m sleeping (well, not quite yet…lol) with our doors unlocked right now and windows open. But then, I live on a farm in the middle of nowhere. It’s lovely out here. It really is. We gave you Obama. What more can you ask for? =)
This has turned into “such and such has never happened to me, therefore it doesn’t happen much”@jaytkay Congrats, you’ve been lucky a lot. But then again you can talk about it. 598 people don’t say much any more from windy city. truth be known the majority of those were the gangbangers themselves so, who cares?
@woodcutter Did you even look at my link that doesn’t even include an Illinois city for cities with most crime (source is US News from 2011) not yours from a forum dated 2009? Did a prostitute screw you over or what? Have you lived here? What’s your personal experience with this state? I can say NY city smells because I’ve been there in the summer and it smells like ass. Doesn’t mean the entire state smells like ass, and I certainly wouldn’t know because I’ve only visited NY city, not the entire state, but dammit, the traffic was bad and the city smelled. What’s your personal experience with Illinois, not some random forum dudes experience. Fluthering minds want to know.
@jonsblond Lookit, I am pro gun and I don’t apologize for it and you are not and you have no reason to apologize for that. We differ in our opinions on this it seems. Illinois seems to believe they have a good thing going that the rest of the other states don’t. If a person through their own life experiences decides they want to keep a firearm on their person it should be their right. If someone doesn’t want to own or even touch a firearm it’s their choice. What I have been trying to drift through is that the FIOD card is a pointless idea because it penalizes honest people and doesn’t do anything that deters crime, period. It’s just an unnecessary regulation that makes gun control activists squirt in their undies. I would not want to live in a place that restricts my freedoms in an unnecessary way like that. It may seem like a shallow reason to you but it is important to me. I have been cordial in this discussion and you have been a jack -ass apparently I have ruffled a couple of your feathers. You love Chicago, great it’s yours, as well as your lame 911 call in the night when you are pooping in your pants because the cops don’t show up. Be safe.
@woodcutter lol. I’m pro gun. My husband hunts (can’t wait to go hunting with him) and I’d feel safer on this lonely farm at night with a gun when he’s working 3rd shift and I’m here alone with the kids. 911 won’t get me anywhere, but a gun will. (like I said, but you obviously didn’t read. I’m not in Chicago. I’m in a county in western Illinois with less than 30,000 people). We are big gun lovers here. Don’t assume. =)
I like both for different reasons. LA has the mountains and the ocean. 12 months of bicycling weather.Within driving distance of so many other amazing places like Nor Cal and the desert.
Chicago has it’s architecture and the Loop, which is an incredible place to work and visit. The neighborhoods are great, with beatiful parks, street fairs, farmers markets and night life. I like that it’s compact and I can travel all over the city by bike or train.
As for as the original question, I don’t like hot humid summers. Chicago is bad enough, I was in New Orleans for a while and that was too steamy. So I guess the SE is out from me.
But I think I would adapt to most places. You can find a niche and a pace you like wherever you are.
@jaytkay Of course they are similar but still among the worst. However, they shouldn’t be. Chicago as well as any other municipality who has strict gun laws should be shining examples of what a safe city should be. But it is all lost on the fact that too many disregard those laws and they become moot. Like any other state, the outlying areas are much quieter and have fewer incidence of violence. It seems that people out there know how to act.
Without any absolute statistics you appreciate, I will go out on a limb and dare to suggest that the wives of cops would rather they not have a beat in So. Austin, West Englewood, Garfield park, Greater Grand Crossing, Washington park, Fuller park, Woodlawn, or Chatham, all “hoods” of Chicago, if there was a choice.
I would totally visit Chicago for the bean thingy and the Chicago Theatre ..oh, and the Watertower. I also want to meet some fans of “da Bears” baseball team. Actually, there’s a lot I’d want to see in Chicago. No idea what it’s like to live there. But, yeah, the humidity would kill me. I’m used to much drier heat. :)
@jaytkay I have never said anyone is bad ,with paint or any other method, I just happen to disagree with you on some of what you posted and you go and accuse me of getting personal? Kinda low Don’t you think? You compare to Houston or Dallas? That’s not a very high bar. The FBI has said violent crime is down http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2011/may/crimes_052311/crime_052311 in Most places but not so much in New England. To claim that Chicago’s gun ban helped at all is sort of trying to hitch that wagon to the fact it went lower everywhere in spite of the gun ban not because of it.
New Jersey. Holy fuck. No, no, and no. My boyfriend is from a small town in central Jersey. It’s cute, and for about a 3 miles radius it’s lovely farm land. And then BAM! Strip malls strip malls! Then BAM landfill! BAM turnpike! BAM FACTORIES AND HORRIBLE SMELL CONSTANTLY AND TRAFFIC AND GUIDOS. Uuuuuugh.