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How do you feel about Nancy Pelosi ripping up the SOTU speech?

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johnpowell's avatar

Trump ripped up the constitution.. Next question…

SergeantQueen's avatar

Where’s the video of him doing that?

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JLeslie's avatar

I think it probably is no big deal in reality. I don’t think she did it to slight him. The speech is done, she probably wanted to throw it out. I’m sure she has it in the computer if she ever wants to print it again.

Republicans are calling it disrespectful, and my very liberal friends are saying they just love Pelosi for doing it, like she is giving the president the finger.

I’m so tired of all of it. I think it’s all making something out of nothing.

gorillapaws's avatar

I think opposing Trump’s budget would have been an ACTUAL act of defiance instead of giving him everything he wanted… This is just hollow theatrics, which pretty much sums up Pelosi’s leadership.

Inspired_2write's avatar

He refused to shake her hand..he started it.
Also it was to show her feelings as he had done in the media making fun of her for many months, so this one things will take away the false feeling of his” triumphal” speech..to his base.

mazingerz88's avatar

Speech of an ass. Should have been ripped while the ass was talking. This should be the Age of Asses in US politics. The next 50 years or so. trump’s legacy of assholery should be honored and upheld even by Democrats. That’s how you WIN and keep America great until the end of time. And probably even beyond.

Demosthenes's avatar

@JLeslie I’m so tired of all of it. I think it’s all making something out of nothing. Exactly how I feel. Who cares? But of course people on both sides are going to take it as some huge statement and I’m sure she knew that would happen. Is anyone even talking about anything Trump said? All I’m seeing across the internet are comments about Pelosi.

cheebdragon's avatar

Trolls and idiots will care, but most Americans won’t really give a shit about it.

Zaku's avatar

It seems to me that the correct amount of respect to show Trump has been zero since he began his term and did non-stop awful things.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I feel just fine.

Patty_Melt's avatar

That wasn’t his speech. That was her copy of the articles of impeachment.
She’s changed her mind.

jca2's avatar

It was payback for him leaving her hanging when she went to shake his hand.

JLeslie's avatar

@Demosthenes I don’t think she was aware cameras were still on her or that her mic was still live.

@jca2 Is that what Pelosi said? That it was pay back? That surprises me that she would do it on purpose, but maybe so.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^She did it on purpose knowing where the three mid-body camera shot was. Perfect rebuttal to a shameless, cruel and pathetic bully.

rebbel's avatar

Never lower yourself to your opponent’s level, is what I would say.
Can’t say I always succeed in that myself, but for someone in that public position it’s a must, in my opinion

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Would agree if it turns off voters enough not to vote. The orange blob orchestrated a TV show for deplorables. Nothing more.

ucme's avatar

She was butthurt because he spurned her handshake.
You could see her cogs turning throughout & the best she came up with was to rip sheets of paper :D

chyna's avatar

I think she did it as payback for him not shaking her hand. She should be above his childish antics.

stanleybmanly's avatar

That tiny woman towers over our dumbbell in chief in more ways than I can count. And one can only hope that she continues to gracefully apply the heat to his crude and barbarous criminal ass.

jca2's avatar

@JLeslie: She made a comment about the speech being lies. She didn’t say anything about payback. Payback is my theory.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^She could have folded and split a page until it became the word “LIES” instead of simply ripping them.

JLeslie's avatar

@jca2 I see. Throughout the speech she seemed to try to not be listening. Lol. Maybe she was afraid she would be caught in a bunch of eye rolls.

KNOWITALL's avatar

I’ve watched SOTU, trials, confirmation hearings and she broke protocol. The whispering to Pence repeatedly, making weird faces with her slash of red mouth, waving her arms, etc…
I knew Dems would love it because it was disrespectful. In my area that’s called ‘showing your ass’.
What’s funny is he even shakes hands with Putin, Kim and other dictators but scorns Nancy. Good stuff.

LostInParadise's avatar

When I heard about it, I thought they meant that Pelosi ripped the speech figuratively, which might have been of interest. Physically ripping the speech is a sign of impotence. Trump’s polling numbers are at an all time high. It appears he is going to be re-elected. God help us.

JLeslie's avatar

Trump didn’t shake Pence’s hand either from what I saw. I’m not sure Trump slighted Pelosi or was already turning away. Trump hates shaking hands, although he does it for protocol, but he doesn’t want to. That’s for many many years now, way before he was president. If he was supposed to shake hands I think he should, but I think Trump was already leaving the room.

Pelosi didn’t look pissed or annoyed at all when he didn’t shake. It looked like she saw he missed the moment. Or, maybe she just handled it well.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@LostInParadise Can’t they see that antagonizing the situation is handing it to him on a silver platter? Whomever is handling Dem strategy needs fired.

ragingloli's avatar

Well, it is less extreme than spitting in his face, as Diogenes famously advocated.
Oh the Greek, so smart.

stanleybmanly's avatar

I don’t believe Trump deliberately refused to shake her hand. I think he turned before he realized her hand was extended. He should have shaken the hand of everyone behind him within reach, including Pence. But to put it mildly, protocol is hardly his strong suit. I listened on the radio, and only saw the “dis” on Colbert later. I felt embarrassed (once again) for the dummy who could have easily rectified the mistake by turning around at the close of his remarks and shaking all the hands he could find. What a crude gump of a man.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Oh, she certainly did that on purpose.

mazingerz88's avatar

@stanleybmanly Watch the video several times and you will eventually see that he saw her handshake offer at the corner of his eyes.

gondwanalon's avatar

Just shows that she’s a bitter angry old hag.

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SEKA's avatar

She didn’t do it with enough passion. Why didn’t he just shake her hand? He acted like a 2year old and she responded in kind

mazingerz88's avatar

^^She should have.

kritiper's avatar

STANDING OVATION!

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

That’s funny, considering that Trump show his ass for the whole world to see on an hourly basis. Real fuckin’ funny.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar Hey, we tried to warn you. You get what you get.

lucillelucillelucille's avatar

I think she is foolish.

Demosthenes's avatar

Enjoying the pearl-clutching from Trump fans. Trump and Pelosi are both children. This is the best the country can do, apparently. Can’t wait until we actually have some adults in office.

Poseidon's avatar

She’s got my vote.

Like everything else that comes out of Trump’s mouth it was a total work of fiction and total lies.

I am not an American and neither do I reside in the USA but I have been following Trump’s progress (or lack thereof) ever since he started his election campaign,

The only thing I can say is that out of the two that were going to win out of Trump and Clinton Trump was the best choice albeit a terrible one.

If Clinton had won we may not be here now because she was intent on starting WW3 by creating a no fly zone around Syria which Russia would not have tolerated.

hmmmmmm's avatar

Nancy Pelosi is a pathetic piece of sh*t. I’d rather see her really resist Trump, rather than supporting his military budgets and fast tracking his conservative judges. How about not clapping for an attempted coup leader in a bipartisan show of imperialism? Tearing up a paper or clapping funny is embarrassing in the context of her lack of real opposition.

kritiper's avatar

@Poseidon Well, that’s one opinion…

josie's avatar

A beautifully senseless gesture of frustration and anger.

ucme's avatar

It was a petulant, self serving act which marked her out as a desperate loser.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

Irrelevant to my comment. But hey, keep on cheering every divisive, hateful, childish move the braying jackass in the Oval Office makes while calling for civility from the other side.

Demosthenes's avatar

The amount of hypocrisy I’m seeing across the internet on this is just stunning. It just goes to show that behavior is only uncivil and disgraceful when someone you disagree with engages in it.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar Irrelevant? His numbers go up with every ‘stroke of genius’ from the Dems to take him down. It’s hilarious and very relevant. And he’s still your President, after all that energy!

I’m still civil, I don’t even cuss back at you. After three years of this, we’ve heard it all, been called every name in the book, and all we did was vote for the lesser of two evils. You truly had a chance to change minds, but because you’re so childish (as a party), you’ve sank to his level. Fail.

Smashley's avatar

I felt a tinge of chaotic glee, as I prepared myself for descent into the unknown abyss that will be the 2020 election.

Demosthenes's avatar

@Smashley That small part of me (it is a small part!) that just wants to see the world burn is laughing right now…

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s going to be brutal.

Inspired_2write's avatar

Interesting quote in Macleans magazine today which sums it up.

…...And the Trump trial completed that shift by explicitly confirming the idea that the president is now above the law.

Whatever he does in his own interest is by definition in the interest of the nation.

The executive now stands alone, unchecked, all powerful.

Link:
Source:
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/america-in-2020-king-george-gets-his-revenge/

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KNOWITALL's avatar

I’m posting this just for fun, since it’s all over social media.

People are saying Pelosi should be charged with a felony for destroying the document at SOTU.

The necessary measure of protection for government documents and records is provided by 18 U.S.C. § 2071. Section 2071(a) contains a broad prohibition against destruction of government records or attempts to destroy such records. This section provides that whoever: willfully and unlawfully; conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates or destroys; or attempts to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; or carries away with intent to conceal, remove, mutilate, obliterate or destroy; any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document or other thing deposited in any public office may be punished by imprisonment for three years, a $2, 000 fine, or both.

There are several important aspects to this offense. First, it is a specific intent crime. This means that the defendant must act intentionally with knowledge that he is violating the law. See United States v. Simpson, 460 F.2d 515, 518 (9th Cir. 1972). Moreover, one case has suggested that this specific intent requires that the defendant know that the documents involved are public records. See United States v. DeGroat, 30 F. 764, 765 (E.D.Mich. 1887).
https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1663-protection-government-property-protection-public-records-and

chyna's avatar

Eye roll.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Any idiot silly enough to regard one of thousands of photocopies of a speech as an archival document is worthy of little beyond contempt and plenty of it.

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Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

Yes, irrelevant to my comment. I said nothing about his numbers or anything of the sort. It was directed at your assertion that Pelosi was “showing her ass”. Do you comprehend?

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Irukandji's avatar

Pelosi ripping up her copy of the speech was done for exactly one purpose: to steal as much of the news cycle from Trump as she could by getting people to talk about her instead. And guess what? It worked!

stanleybmanly's avatar

If only she had burned the speech. Then she might be prosecuted for violation of the fire codes, or if a scrap of the torn paper had fallen to the floor, she might be prosecuted, even impeached for littering.

Inspired_2write's avatar

@SEKA “Why didn’t he just shake her hand?”
He didn’t shake her hand to shock and therefore publicly embarrass her.
It a rebuke that he is good at pressing someones buttons in order to get a response.
She should NOT had taken the bait.

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Demosthenes's avatar

@Irukandji Yup. There’s no way she could not have known what would happen.

Jonsblond's avatar

I think it was brilliant. She tore a speech that was full of lies.

AlaskaTundrea's avatar

I didn’t see the speech, lucky me, but would say from the fact that her tearing up that speech copy is the only thing I’m really seeing over and over again about the speech is that she won the night. True, she didn’t win any votes, but she won the media attention. Heck, even Trumpster Jr. was talking about her actions, not his father’s supposed grand speech. So, without seeing one second of the speech, my take away is the joke of disrupting it for a Rush medal and Pelosi ripping up the speech. Not a word about what Trumpster said. For a guy who is so focused on the media moment, he was played, whether intentional or not.

AlaskaTundrea's avatar

BTW, I thought the Medal of Honor was awarded at a special ceremony of some sort. Am I wrong? Seemed a tad disrespectful to the idea of the medal itself, to be honest.

seawulf575's avatar

I didn’t see it, but have heard a lot about it. It sounds like both Nancy and Trump were acting like fools. Trump snubbed her hand-shake, she broke protocol by not properly introducing him, and then tore up his speech before he left the dais. They’re both immature. But then, that pretty much describes the Dems and Trump for the last 3 years.

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jca2's avatar

On social media, I’m reading more from upset Republicans about Pelosi ripping up the speech, than from upset Dems about the handshake, so I’d say Pelosi won this round.

JLeslie's avatar

LOL. Read what Nancy said.

It wasn’t the handshake, it was the speech. Now, that makes sense to me from what I observed.

Edit: Ugh, I can’t get the link to work. Her quote in the article, “ “He shredded the truth, so I shredded his speech.”

Darth_Algar's avatar

Trump turned the SOTU into theater. Pelosi, in a single move stole the show from him.

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JLeslie's avatar

I just watched Pelosi in her address with reporters and she said tearing the speech had nothing to do with the handshake, and everything to do with feeling the speech was full of untruths.

She criticized reporters for not reporting on issues congress and the White House are working on together.

She said she prays for the president as she does for anyone who she sincerely rats for, and tells her colleagues that we never know when there will be something they can come together on, and to not be enemies forever. She made some statement that you can be fruends forever but not enemies forever, always look for ways to come together.

She criticized the president for what he said about Romney at the prayer breakfast and said Trump knows nothing about prayer and is undignified (I don’t remember the exact word she used).

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rebbel's avatar

Helpful response.

ucme's avatar

Remorseful response

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ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Listening in around the watering hole this morning when this topic came up most of my coworkers viewed Nancy ripping up this speech as generally being against what was said in it. She was acting like a petulant little child and generally underlined the fact that the democratic party does not care about the single most important thing on the minds of most blue collar workers, main street republicans and your average family….the economy. Most people with a 401k saw a 30%+ increase last year. Speaking personally it was the single best year I have ever had investing. Not only that I have had multiple new job opportunities, housing values have gone up 35% in the last three years here, I paid ~$2500 less in taxes and the cost of goods has remained flat. Pelosi ripping up the speech just signals that the Democrats don’t give a shit about any of that. All I can say is good luck in November. The DNC is going to need it and even that will likely not be enough. They’re just too out of touch with the big picture and tied up in their little pet issues. If Trump would act more presidential, stop trolling the left, really tackle health care and give a nod to climate change then I’d be at the polls voting for him also. I still find that hard to do outside of that but you can’t argue with the economy right now. I gotta give him credit for it.

Full Text of the Address:

Here is President Trump’s State of the Union address as prepared for delivery and released by the White House.

Madam Speaker, Mr. Vice President, Members of Congress, the First Lady of the United States, and my fellow citizens:

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As we restore American leadership throughout the world, we are once again standing up for freedom in our hemisphere. That is why my Administration reversed the failing policies of the previous administration on Cuba. We are supporting the hopes of Cubans, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans to restore democracy. The United States is leading a 59-nation diplomatic coalition against the socialist dictator of Venezuela, Nicolás Maduro. Maduro is an illegitimate ruler, a tyrant who brutalizes his people. But Maduro’s grip of tyranny will be smashed and broken. Here this evening is a man who carries with him the hopes, dreams, and aspirations of all Venezuelans. Joining us in the gallery is the true and legitimate President of Venezuela, Juan Guaidó. Mr. President, please take this message back to your homeland. All Americans are united with the Venezuelan people in their righteous struggle for freedom! Socialism destroys nations. But always remember, freedom unifies the soul.

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And just weeks ago, for the first time since President Truman established the Air Force more than 70 years earlier, we created a new branch of the United States Armed Forces, the Space Force.

In the gallery tonight, we have one of the Space Force’s youngest potential recruits: 13-year-old Iain Lanphier, an eighth grader from Arizona. Iain has always dreamed of going to space. He was first in his class and among the youngest at an aviation academy. He aspires to go to the Air Force Academy, and then, he has his eye on the Space Force. As Iain says, “most people look up at space, I want to look down on the world.”

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From the pilgrims to our Founders, from the soldiers at Valley Forge to the marchers at Selma, and from President Lincoln to the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Americans have always rejected limits on our children’s future.

Members of Congress, we must never forget that the only victories that matter in Washington are victories that deliver for the American people. The people are the heart of our country, their dreams are the soul of our country, and their love is what powers and sustains our country. We must always remember that our job is to put America first!

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Janiyah and Stephanie are in the gallery this evening. But there is more to their story. Janiyah, I am pleased to inform you that your long wait is over. I can proudly announce tonight that an Opportunity Scholarship has become available, it is going to you, and you will soon be heading to the school of your choice!

Now, I call on the Congress to give 1 million American children the same opportunity Janiyah has just received. Pass the Education Freedom Scholarships and Opportunity Act—because no parent should be forced to send their child to a failing government school.

Every young person should have a safe and secure environment in which to learn and grow. For this reason, our magnificent First Lady has launched the “Be Best” initiative—to advance a safe, healthy, supportive, and drug-free life for the next generation, online, in school, and in our communities. Thank you, Melania, for your extraordinary love and profound care for America’s children.

My Administration is determined to give our citizens the opportunities they need regardless of age or background. Through our Pledge to American Workers, over 400 companies will also provide new jobs and education opportunities to almost 15 million Americans.

My Budget also contains an exciting vision for our Nation’s high schools. Tonight, I ask the Congress to support our students and back my plan to offer vocational and technical education in every single high school in America.

To expand equal opportunity, I am also proud that we achieved record and permanent funding for our Nation’s Historically Black Colleges and Universities.

A good life for American families also requires the most affordable, innovative, and high-quality healthcare system on Earth. Before I took office, health insurance premiums had more than doubled in just 5 years. I moved quickly to provide affordable alternatives. Our new plans are up to 60 percent less expensive. I have also made an ironclad pledge to American families: We will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions—that is a guarantee. And we will always protect your Medicare and your Social Security.

The American patient should never be blindsided by medical bills. That is why I signed an Executive Order requiring price transparency. Many experts believe that transparency, which will go into full effect at the beginning of next year, will be even bigger than healthcare reform. It will save families massive amounts of money for substantially better care.

But as we work to improve Americans’ healthcare, there are those who want to take away your healthcare, take away your doctor, and abolish private insurance entirely. One hundred thirty-two lawmakers in this room have endorsed legislation to impose a socialist takeover of our healthcare system, wiping out the private health insurance plans of 180 million Americans. To those watching at home tonight, I want you to know: We will never let socialism destroy American healthcare!

Over 130 legislators in this chamber have endorsed legislation that would bankrupt our Nation by providing free taxpayer-funded healthcare to millions of illegal aliens, forcing taxpayers to subsidize free care for anyone in the world who unlawfully crosses our borders. These proposals would raid the Medicare benefits our seniors depend on, while acting as a powerful lure for illegal immigration. This is what is happening in California and other States—their systems are totally out of control, costing taxpayers vast and unaffordable amounts of money. If forcing American taxpayers to provide unlimited free healthcare to illegal aliens sounds fair to you, then stand with the radical left. But if you believe that we should defend American patients and American seniors, then stand with me and pass legislation to prohibit free Government healthcare for illegal aliens!

This will be a tremendous boon to our already very-strongly guarded southern border where, as we speak, a long, tall, and very powerful wall is being built. We have now completed over 100 miles and will have over 500 miles fully completed by early next year.

My Administration is also taking on the big pharmaceutical companies. We have approved a record number of affordable generic drugs, and medicines are being approved by the FDA at a faster clip than ever before. I was pleased to announce last year that, for the first time in 51 years, the cost of prescription drugs actually went down.

And working together, the Congress can reduce drug prices substantially from current levels. I have been speaking to Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa and others in the Congress in order to get something on drug pricing done, and done properly. I am calling for bipartisan legislation that achieves the goal of dramatically lowering prescription drug prices. Get a bill to my desk, and I will sign it into law without delay.

With unyielding commitment, we are curbing the opioid epidemic—drug overdose deaths declined for the first time in nearly 30 years. Among the States hardest hit, Ohio is down 22 percent, Pennsylvania is down 18 percent, Wisconsin is down 10 percent—and we will not quit until we have beaten the opioid epidemic once and for all.

Protecting Americans’ health also means fighting infectious diseases. We are coordinating with the Chinese government and working closely together on the Coronavirus outbreak in China. My Administration will take all necessary steps to safeguard our citizens from this threat.

We have launched ambitious new initiatives to substantially improve care for Americans with kidney disease, Alzheimer’s, and those struggling with mental health challenges. And because the Congress funded my request, we are pursuing new cures for childhood cancer, and we will eradicate the AIDS epidemic in America by the end of the decade.

Almost every American family knows the pain when a loved one is diagnosed with a serious illness. Here tonight is a special man, someone beloved by millions of Americans who just received a Stage 4 advanced cancer diagnosis. This is not good news, but what is good news is that he is the greatest fighter and winner that you will ever meet. Rush Limbaugh: Thank you for your decades of tireless devotion to our country. Rush, in recognition of all that you have done for our Nation, the millions of people a day that you speak to and inspire, and all of the incredible work that you have done for charity, I am proud to announce tonight that you will be receiving our country’s highest civilian honor, the Presidential Medal of Freedom. I will now ask the First Lady of the United States to please stand and present you with the honor. Rush, Kathryn, congratulations!

As we pray for all who are sick, we know that America is constantly achieving new medical breakthroughs. In 2017, doctors at St. Luke’s hospital in Kansas City delivered one of the earliest premature babies ever to survive. Born at just 21 weeks and 6 days, and weighing less than a pound, Ellie Schneider was born a fighter. Through the skill of her doctors—and the prayers of her parents—little Ellie kept on winning the battle for life. Today, Ellie is a strong, healthy 2-year-old girl sitting with her amazing mother Robin in the gallery. Ellie and Robin: We are so glad you are here.

Ellie reminds us that every child is a miracle of life. Thanks to modern medical wonders, 50 percent of very premature babies delivered at the hospital where Ellie was born now survive. Our goal should be to ensure that every baby has the best chance to thrive and grow just like Ellie. That is why I am asking the Congress to provide an additional $50 million to fund neo-natal research for America’s youngest patients. That is also why I am calling upon the Members of Congress here tonight to pass legislation finally banning the late-term abortion of babies.

Whether we are Republican, Democrat, or Independent, surely we must all agree that every human life is a sacred gift from God!

As we support America’s moms and dads, I was recently proud to sign the law providing new parents in the Federal workforce paid family leave, serving as a model for the rest of the country. Now, I call on the Congress to pass the bipartisan Advancing Support for Working Families Act, extending family leave to mothers and fathers all across the Nation.

Forty million American families have an average $2,200 extra thanks to our child tax credit. I have also overseen historic funding increases for high-quality child care, enabling 17 States to serve more children, many of which have reduced or eliminated their waitlists altogether. And I sent the Congress a plan with a vision to further expand access to high-quality childcare and urge you to act immediately.

To protect the environment, days ago, I announced that the United States will join the One Trillion Trees Initiative, an ambitious effort to bring together Government and the private sector to plant new trees in America and around the world.

We must also rebuild America’s infrastructure. I ask you to pass Senator Barrasso’s highway bill—to invest in new roads, bridges, and tunnels across our land.

I am also committed to ensuring that every citizen can have access to high-speed internet, including rural America.

A better tomorrow for all Americans also requires us to keep America safe. That means supporting the men and women of law enforcement at every level, including our Nation’s heroic ICE officers.

Last year, our brave ICE officers arrested more than 120,000 criminal aliens charged with nearly 10,000 burglaries, 5,000 sexual assaults, 45,000 violent assaults, and 2,000 murders.

Tragically, there are many cities in America where radical politicians have chosen to provide sanctuary for these criminal illegal aliens. In Sanctuary Cities, local officials order police to release dangerous criminal aliens to prey upon the public, instead of handing them over to ICE to be safely removed.

Just 29 days ago, a criminal alien freed by the Sanctuary City of New York was charged with the brutal rape and murder of a 92-year-old woman. The killer had been previously arrested for assault, but under New York’s sanctuary policies, he was set free. If the city had honored ICE’s detainer request, his victim would be alive today.

The State of California passed an outrageous law declaring their whole State to be a sanctuary for criminal illegal immigrants—with catastrophic results.

Here is just one tragic example. In December 2018, California police detained an illegal alien with five prior arrests, including convictions for robbery and assault. But as required by California’s Sanctuary Law, local authorities released him.

Days later, the criminal alien went on a gruesome spree of deadly violence. He viciously shot one man going about his daily work; he approached a woman sitting in her car and shot her in the arm and the chest. He walked into a convenience store and wildly fired his weapon. He hijacked a truck and smashed into vehicles, critically injuring innocent victims. One of the victims of his bloody rampage was a 51-year-old American named Rocky Jones. Rocky was at a gas station when this vile criminal fired eight bullets at him from close range, murdering him in cold blood. Rocky left behind a devoted family, including his brothers who loved him more than anything. One of his grieving brothers is here with us tonight. Jody, would you please stand? Jody, our hearts weep for your loss—and we will not rest until you have justice.

Senator Thom Tillis has introduced legislation to allow Americans like Jody to sue Sanctuary Cities and States when a loved one is hurt or killed as a result of these deadly policies. I ask the Congress to pass the Justice for Victims of Sanctuary Cities Act immediately. The United States of America should be a sanctuary for law-abiding Americans—not criminal aliens!

In the last 3 years, ICE has arrested over 5,000 wicked human traffickers—and I have signed 9 pieces of legislation to stamp out the menace of human trafficking, domestically and around the globe.

My Administration has undertaken an unprecedented effort to secure the southern border of the United States.

Before I came into office, if you showed up illegally on our southern border and were arrested, you were simply released and allowed into our country, never to be seen again. My Administration has ended Catch-and-Release. If you come illegally, you will now be promptly removed. We entered into historic cooperation agreements with the Governments of Mexico, Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala. As a result of our unprecedented efforts, illegal crossings are down 75 percent since May—dropping 8 straight months in a row. And as the wall goes up, drug seizures rise, and border crossings go down.

Last year, I traveled to the border in Texas and met Chief Patrol Agent Raul Ortiz. Over the last 24 months, Agent Ortiz and his team have seized more than 200,000 pounds of poisonous narcotics, arrested more than 3,000 human smugglers, and rescued more than 2,000 migrants. Days ago, Agent Ortiz was promoted to Deputy Chief of Border Patrol—and he joins us tonight. Chief Ortiz: Please stand—a grateful Nation thanks you and all the heroes of Border Patrol.

To build on these historic gains, we are working on legislation to replace our outdated and randomized immigration system with one based on merit, welcoming those who follow the rules, contribute to our economy, support themselves financially, and uphold our values.

With every action, my Administration is restoring the rule of law and re-asserting the culture of American freedom. Working with Senate Majority Leader McConnell and his colleagues in the Senate, we have confirmed a record number of 187 new Federal judges to uphold our Constitution as written. This includes two brilliant new Supreme Court Justices, Neil Gorsuch, and Brett Kavanaugh.

My Administration is also defending religious liberty, and that includes the Constitutional right to pray in public schools. In America, we do not punish prayer. We do not tear down crosses. We do not ban symbols of faith. We do not muzzle preachers and pastors. In America, we celebrate faith. We cherish religion. We lift our voices in prayer, and we raise our sights to the Glory of God!

Just as we believe in the First Amendment, we also believe in another Constitutional right that is under siege all across our country. So long as I am President I will always protect your Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms.

In reaffirming our heritage as a free Nation, we must remember that America has always been a frontier nation. Now we must embrace the next frontier, America’s manifest destiny in the stars. I am asking the Congress to fully fund the Artemis program to ensure that the next man and the first woman on the moon will be American astronauts—using this as a launching pad to ensure that America is the first nation to plant its flag on Mars.

My Administration is also strongly defending our national security and combating radical Islamic terrorism. Last week, I announced a groundbreaking plan for peace between Israel and the Palestinians. Recognizing that all past attempts have failed, we must be determined and creative in order to stabilize the region and give millions of young people the change to realize a better future.

Three years ago, the barbarians of ISIS held over 20,000 square miles of territory in Iraq and Syria. Today, the ISIS territorial caliphate has been 100 percent destroyed, and the founder and leader of ISIS—the bloodthirsty killer Al‑Baghdadi—is dead!

We are joined this evening by Carl and Marsha Mueller. After graduating from college, their beautiful daughter Kayla became a humanitarian aid worker. Kayla once wrote, “Some people find God in church. Some people find God in nature. Some people find God in love; I find God in suffering. I’ve known for some time what my life’s work is, using my hands as tools to relieve suffering.” In 2013, while caring for suffering civilians in Syria, Kayla was kidnapped, tortured, and enslaved by ISIS, and kept as a prisoner of Al-Baghdadi himself. After more than 500 horrifying days of captivity, Al-Baghdadi murdered young Kayla. She was just 26 years old.

On the night that United States Special Forces Operators ended Al‑Baghdadi’s miserable life, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, General Mark Milley, received a call in the Situation Room. He was told that the brave men of the elite Special Forces team, that so perfectly carried out the operation, had given their mission a name—“Task Force 8–14.” It was a reference to a special day: August 14th—Kayla’s birthday. Carl and Marsha, America’s warriors never forgot Kayla—and neither will we.

Every day, America’s men and women in uniform demonstrate the infinite depths of love that dwells in the human heart.

One of these American heroes was Army Staff Sergeant Christopher Hake. On his second deployment to Iraq in 2008, Sergeant Hake wrote a letter to his 1-year-old son, Gage: “I will be with you again,” he wrote to Gage. “I will teach you to ride your first bike, build your first sand box, watch you play sports and see you have kids also. I love you son, take care of your mother. I am always with you. Dad.” On Easter Sunday of 2008, Chris was out on patrol in Baghdad when his Bradley Fighting Vehicle was hit by a roadside bomb. That night, he made the ultimate sacrifice for our country. Sergeant Hake now rests in eternal glory in Arlington, and his wife Kelli is in the gallery tonight, joined by their son, who is now 13 years old. To Kelli and Gage: Chris will live in our hearts forever.

The terrorist responsible for killing Sergeant Hake was Qasem Soleimani, who provided the deadly roadside bomb that took Chris’s life. Soleimani was the Iranian Regime’s most ruthless butcher, a monster who murdered or wounded thousands of American service members in Iraq. As the world’s top terrorist, Soleimani orchestrated the deaths of countless men, women, and children. He directed the December assault on United States Forces in Iraq, and was actively planning new attacks. That is why, last month, at my direction, the United States Military executed a flawless precision strike that killed Soleimani and terminated his evil reign of terror forever.

Our message to the terrorists is clear: You will never escape American justice. If you attack our citizens, you forfeit your life!

In recent months, we have seen proud Iranians raise their voices against their oppressive rulers. The Iranian regime must abandon its pursuit of nuclear weapons, stop spreading terror, death, and destruction, and start working for the good of its own people. Because of our powerful sanctions, the Iranian economy is doing very poorly. We can help them make it very good in a short period of time, but perhaps they are too proud or too foolish to ask for that help. We are here. Let’s see which road they choose. It is totally up to them.

As we defend American lives, we are working to end America’s wars in the Middle East.

In Afghanistan, the determination and valor of our warfighters has allowed us to make tremendous progress, and peace talks are underway. I am not looking to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Afghanistan, many of them innocent. It is also not our function to serve other nations as a law enforcement agency. These are warfighters, the best in the world, and they either want to fight to win or not fight at all. We are working to finally end America’s longest war and bring our troops back home!

War places a heavy burden on our Nation’s extraordinary military families, especially spouses like Amy Williams from Fort Bragg, North Carolina, and her 2 children—6-year-old Elliana and 3-year-old Rowan. Amy works full time, and volunteers countless hours helping other military families. For the past 7 months, she has done it all while her husband, Sergeant First Class Townsend Williams, is in Afghanistan on his fourth deployment to the Middle East. Amy’s kids have not seen their father’s face in many months. Amy, your family’s sacrifice makes it possible for all of our families to live in safety and peace—we thank you.

As the world bears witness tonight, America is a land of heroes. This is the place where greatness is born, where destinies are forged, and where legends come to life. This is the home of Thomas Edison and Teddy Roosevelt, of many great Generals, including Washington, Pershing, Patton, and MacArthur. This is the home of Abraham Lincoln, Frederick Douglass, Amelia Earhart, Harriet Tubman, the Wright Brothers, Neil Armstrong, and so many more. This is the country where children learn names like Wyatt Earp, Davy Crockett, and Annie Oakley. This is the place where the pilgrims landed at Plymouth and where Texas patriots made their last stand at the Alamo.

The American Nation was carved out of the vast frontier by the toughest, strongest, fiercest, and most determined men and women ever to walk the face of the Earth. Our ancestors braved the unknown; tamed the wilderness; settled the Wild West; lifted millions from poverty, disease, and hunger; vanquished tyranny and fascism; ushered the world to new heights of science and medicine; laid down the railroads, dug out canals, raised up the skyscrapers—and, ladies and gentlemen, our ancestors built the most exceptional Republic ever to exist in all of human history. And we are making it greater than ever before!

This is our glorious and magnificent inheritance.

We are Americans. We are the pioneers. We are the pathfinders. We settled the new world, we built the modern world, and we changed history forever by embracing the eternal truth that everyone is made equal by the hand of Almighty God.

America is the place where anything can happen! America is the place where anyone can rise. And here, on this land, on this soil, on this continent, the most incredible dreams come true!

This Nation is our canvas, and this country is our masterpiece. We look at tomorrow and see unlimited frontiers just waiting to be explored. Our brightest discoveries are not yet known. Our most thrilling stories are not yet told. Our grandest journeys are not yet made. The American Age, the American Epic, the American Adventure, has only just begun!

Our spirit is still young; the sun is still rising; God’s grace is still shining; and my fellow Americans, the best is yet to come!

Thank you. God Bless You. God Bless America.

Patty_Melt's avatar

I can’t believe you posted the whole thing.
Excellent!

cheebdragon's avatar

All of this over a speech he didn’t even fucking write. SMH.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

It’s not like any politician really writes their own speeches anyway. They just give the writer their mission statement. That’s the part that matters.

Patty_Melt's avatar

Did anyone notice she brought her own copy?
She planned it ahead.
She made a big deal of taking it out and placing it just so, before he was even announced.
I would guess she also tipped off somebody to watch her for just such a move.

stanleybmanly's avatar

When I finally watched that clip at the end of Trump’s delivery, and Pelosi standing (respectfully) as decorum requires, reaches forward as routinely as an eyeblink, and tears the speech in half then half again with apparently the same concentration and thought I might give to chewing my dinner—I was struck so by the performance that it brought me to my feet. I can tell you that as certainly as I sit here writing this, that the entire routine was a direct re-enactment of a scene familiar to any kid from my era in a Catholic school staffed by nuns. In fact it was chilling right down to the gunfighter stare. The only thing missing was the habit. She was the duplicate of my razor thin 5th grade nun who would stand in the front of our class, read a paper that particularly annoyed her, flaunt the foot high red F on the first page for us to see, then with the efficiency of a machine two rips and a drop into the waste basket. Particularly egregious papers suffered the flourish of the wastebasket being kicked away in disgust as though the paper might further contaminate her. Pelosi is a product of God’s little drill sergeants.

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mazingerz88's avatar

LOL! A female politician ripping what amounts to used toilet paper compared to a douche who separates kids from their parents? You trumpers are unbelievable. Tsk.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@mazingerz88 They have only shown that they care about their little pet project issues. That is why Trump is in office right now. He turned rust belt auto union workers to the red side. Just let that sink in for a moment. I do believe that the left cares about the economy, when the economy fails they used to gain votes. Those days are over only they have not realized it yet. If they want to remain relevant they’ll do more than give the economy lip service. People struggling to pay their bills are tired of being told what bathroom they can use or being lectured about what pronouns are acceptable when the building is burning down.

mazingerz88's avatar

The Democratic voters and politicians all need to get their act together when it comes to winning elections. When it comes to ideas that’s best for America , that’s the job of ALL politicians in both parties right now to envision, debate and compromise on a plan and present it to the American people. Or whatever.

In short, move the country forward not having a winner take all mentality. To start….American voters should choose better leaders not throw a bomb on the other side. If Democrats elected a certified asshole to the WH, the party is better off dead.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@mazingerz88 I agree. This is the positive side to the political dichotomy we have at the moment. Establishment republicans and democrats are on their way out. The new left is focusing on social issues and the new right on economic. Despite the smear campaigns painting the left as socialists and the right as nazis there is positive momentum and each side deserves a turn making things better. The old guard will be out soon, make no mistake about that. Trump was a bomb for sure but he was a wake up call to any who have the ability to listen as well.

mazingerz88's avatar

A friend asked me once why nothing much was happening when Obama was in the WH and Democrats held (sort of) majority in both Senate and House. Why weren’t the Dems passing laws like pancakes?

Simply told her that is not how it works. Whoever was in the majority needs to cajole and convince some if not most of those on the other side. Make backroom deals and the results are most likely guaranteed not to satisfy anyone fully. To me that was the essence of statesmanship. Politicians unafraid of telling their constituents they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

Politicians are not supposed to epitomize their constituents narrow mindedness and ignorance just so they can keep their high salaries. Their job is to lead and not to be a part of the mob.

Jonsblond's avatar

@Areyoukiddingme

“She was acting like a petulant little child and generally underlined the fact that the democratic party does not care about the single most important thing on the minds of most blue collar workers, main street republicans and your average family….the economy. Most people with a 401k saw a 30%+ increase last year. Speaking personally it was the single best year I have ever had investing. Not only that I have had multiple new job opportunities, housing values have gone up 35% in the last three years here, I paid ~$2500 less in taxes and the cost of goods has remained flat. Pelosi ripping up the speech just signals that the Democrats don’t give a shit about any of that.“

You apparently have no clue about blue collar life. Investing? Lol. Yeah, right. 401k? Haha. Housing values? Lol.

My husband I have none of that. The Democrats fight for people like my husband and I.

Jonsblond's avatar

“People struggling to pay their bills are tired of being told what bathroom they can use or being lectured about what pronouns are acceptable when the building is burning down.“

And that’s some bigoted bs.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me

How many average American families have a 401(k)?

Low wage jobs that offer savings and retirement or any benefit aside from, maybe, a 5–10% employee discount are on the rise, and good, well paying jobs you can retire on are rapidly declining for most Americans.

KNOWITALL's avatar

Many of have 401k’s and IRA’s since Obama told us to to do it and we got double tax break. We’ve been warned Social Security will not support us so we must do it ourselves.

As far as housing, our prop values went up, which is a good thing.

As far as bathrooms, if you take gender out of the equation, many just feel like Dems are trying to force integration and acceptance. When it comes to their kids and add sexual identity issues, or a penis anywhere around their babies, some can get pretty worked up.

So I agree with @Are You’s take on much of this, at least where I’m at.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Darth_Algar More than half. That decline in good jobs if you care to read it was what Trump was directly speaking to and it is what Trump voters are hearing. I do think he stretched the truth with at times but the fact remains he is at least talking about it as priority #1. If you ask a Trump voter they will tell you the side issues the left focus on are important but only after the big fires have been put out. That somehow makes them bigoted?

mazingerz88's avatar

Any other Republican elected as President could have done whatever great economic thing trump achieved. And all without being a corrupt, cruel, treasonous and critically dangerous divisive ass. It’s beyond ridiculous supporting his evil for the sake of 401Ks.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

He is crass, rude and has done some questionable things. People are still going to quietly vote for their own interests regardless if they like him personally. Frankly a lot of (all) Trump supporters I know wish he would tone down the trolling and act more presidential.
Again, don’t shoot the messenger here. When he wins the oval office again the single reason will be the economy and what he is saying he will do for the economy. It does not matter if it is a result of his actions or not.

stanleybmanly's avatar

It’s the classic situation around doing deals with the devil. He may be the devil, but he’s good for my portfolio. Even were it true, there is a poignant irony in the fact that so many of us would be willing to place a man in the oval office whom we would not allow in a room alone with our children.

rebbel's avatar

I would call that opportunism.
Fuck the neighbor, as long as I’m good.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

To many of his voters he is just an asshole but an asshole with a firehouse. The alternative in their perspective are leaders who are either content to sit and watch things burn or allow conditions that are leading to a fire remain but they’ll be polite and nice.

I know Trump voters, they are everywhere here. I did not vote for him personally. I just know why we have him.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@rebbel I don’t see the “screw the neighbors” thing in wishing for a strong economy. That’s good for everyone.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Just have a look what is happening with this country as a society. Our religious friends have made that deal with the devil. There stands before them a man with the proven ethical equivalency of sewage, who flaunts every vice counter to every principle their doctrine has pronounced. And the rationale for tolerance of such an abomination? He is opposed to abortion. The wonder of it all is that the man’s deviltry is out in the open on virtually constant display. I bet it hasn’t occurred to a one of you to dwell on the advantages to the devil in having some picture of a man with the ethical texture of sludge hanging in the place of honor in your kid’s classroom.

cheebdragon's avatar

@mazingerz88 Screw the economy and 401k’s, We just need a president who doesn’t offend anyone. ~

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I’m sure that he got some votes that way. It is not something I agree with him on. Any politician running on the red ticket will have to get the evangelicals in their pocket and that is their hot button issue. Like most people with a singular concern they’ll make that deal with a less than savory character. That goes for anywhere on the political spectrum where you find those hot button issues.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me True, and the illegal immigrant/ refugee influx is a big deal in my part of the country, too.
Abortion is one of those issues that each side will not budge on, so it’s a great ‘soap box’ for any candidate to grab onto. For Reps, it automatically puts you higher than most Dem candidates from the jump. It’s not going to change anytime soon, as more and more PP’s close.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@cheebdragon

Congratulations. You’ve found some listings for specialized jobs for a handful of people. Go you!

Demosthenes's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me I’ve said before many times that the only thing that would prevent Trump being re-elected would be an economic recession. If the economy is faring well, the incumbent tends to be re-elected. It just happens to be the case that the last two recessions occurred at the end of a president’s second term (which may have led to the change of party in those elections). Voters want any change if the economy isn’t doing well.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

@Demosthenes Sanders has a very good chance if that happens. Just a correction at the right time this year could be enough. He is campaigning to the same people Trump captured in the last election who were blue collar Democrats. That swing vote seems to be key.

mazingerz88's avatar

Guess in 2020 we will see if it’s still mainly all about just the economy that matters to American voters…with numbers enough to get the EC.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me “If you ask a Trump voter they will tell you the side issues the left focus on are important but only after the big fires have been put out. That somehow makes them bigoted?”

I’m surrounded by Trump voters everywhere here when I live. Frankly, they consider the issues the left focuses on “socialist”, “unAmerican”, sometimes (depending on how Bible-thumpy they are) even “Satanic”. They might not come right out and say “nigger” anymore, since they know the social cost of such flagrant language (although a not-insubstantial number have been emboldened since Trump too office). They will, however, still freely employ crude racial stereotypes, will assume that everyone with brown skin in an illegal who doesn’t speak English, and assume that the Mexicans are somehow too lazy to work while at the same time stealing all the jobs from white folks.

Yes, I know the Trump voters. I live among them.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

You’re in a completely different part of the country. You will find those types sure. I don’t see them in large numbers here. Most are decent, hard working and are not bigoted at all. The ones that are command all the attention though. They will be all you notice even though they are a small minority.

Demosthenes's avatar

Most of the Trump voters around where I grew up are rich people who voted almost entirely for economic reasons. There are lots of different types of voters. But I agree that the white working class voters in the swing states are who won Trump the election before and could win it for him again (the people Hillary did not attempt to appeal to, but Sanders does appeal to).

Darth_Algar's avatar

@ARE_you_kidding_me

Out of curiosity, what region do you live in?

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Southeast near a large city.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Well that narrows it down. That could be anywhere from Missouri to Maryland to Florida.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Ah. So Memphis or Nashville area. Not surprising that you’d have a different experience then. Metropolitan areas tend to be more diverse, and with that diversity, naturally, tends to come a more open mindset among people.

I live in northeastern Illinois, in what I personally kinda refer to as the “Chicago Hinterlands”. It can’t really be called the Chicago metro area, but that’s not a far hop from here (Chicago proper is, roughly, around 80 miles from where I live). It’s kinda that area where Chicagoland starts to fade into the boondocks real quick. Go a few miles down the road one way and you’re smack dab in the suburban sprawl. A few miles the other way and it’s all cornfields and meth labs.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar Not going to lie, I have much the same experience in SW Missouri as you do, it sounds like.

There is a vast difference in someone like me, and someone who has a meth lab. But I have to say, there are only sight differences between the Democrats and Republicans of that ‘caste’. Some of the old-school Dems are far more openly & blatantly racist than any Rep I’ve ever met here.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I’m in a big college town surrounded by rural expanse. You get off the beaten path and there is indeed a stark difference. Here republicans are working & lower middle class and hold the majority. The inner city poor and the wealthy living in McMansions at the golf resorts are the Democrats with small sprinklings of moderate republicans. Of course the buildup around the university is dominated by Democrats
Out in the hills where everyone is poor party affiliation is more tribal in nature. There is quite a bit of racism and bigotry out there.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I really feel nothing. It’s just another display of the well earned contempt she has for the buffoon.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^We might think assuming generations of American voters and their politicians would be better than their predecessors but NO…it seems we are going in reverse and are dumbing down and trump and his fanatic defenders are the biggest harbinger of Doom. Lol

seawulf575's avatar

I think we have drifted WAY off topic. But as for this coming election, it will be the same as last. At the end of Obama’s time in office, about 75% of people felt the country was going down the wrong path. Trump has opted for another path. There are good things that have come from that and we see it with the economy and jobs as the most obvious. And right now, it looks like there will be the exact same choice we had last time…the bloated government with high taxes and excessive “oversight” or more of what we have seen for the past 3 years. Given those choices, it will likely end with Trump getting 4 more years.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There will be a substantial difference in the next election The next election will feature an impeached President with most of his first term entourage, fired, imprisoned under indictment, resigned in disgust with the remainder under investigation awaiting the scythe of justice. There is in addition the excellent chance that Stinky’s head is on the block for the duration of his campaign. Saddled with 3 full years of turpitude and scandal, the turd is the dream candidate for his opposition which is completely spared the traditional necessity of fabricating any narrative, for nothing can be invented that is as appalling as the truth.

JLeslie's avatar

@stanleybmanly I really don’t think it will matter much. that he was impeached or does some crazy shitty things. My Trump supporting friends love him. They don’t love some of what he says and does, but they think he has a been a very effective positive force for America. My religious conservative friends who don’t love him, will still vote for him, because they will not vote for a Democrat.

I was listening to CSPAN the other day and a woman said she would NEVER vote for a Democrat again, and she had been a Democrat. I think there are Republicans who feel this way too in the vice versa, so it might all cancel each other out.

I think this will be a really tricky election. Neither side understands the other side. All the guessing and polls I think could easily be way off.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly Here’s something to mull about…his approval ratings have gone UP during the impeachment. With Republicans AND Independents. Oh! and Dem ratings have gone down. Mull that around awhile and see how you can try spinning it to show he will lose in November.

mazingerz88's avatar

Yeah, it went up to 80 percent his ratings right? A sure win in November! Ah, delusions.

stanleybmanly's avatar

Let’s watch those ratings as the results of the inquiries start pouring in.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@stanleybmanly Your faith in your party is strong, Stan, I’ll give you that.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly How many more inquiries do you need to “pour in” before you will admit you are delusional? Let’s review: Russia Collusion…Nada. Ukraine….Bogus. Impeachment…Acquitted. Emoluments…tossed out in court.
But let’s review some of the inquiries you rail against: Biden in Ukraine…his own words. FISA warrants based on lies in the Steele Dossier…being proven illegal every day. Strzok and Page…being looked at closely. Seems like the ones that there are actual reasons to investigate you rail against and the ones that have no basis for anything you are sure are going to be game changers. Drink a little less kool-aid. Maybe take a few minutes to go shovel the turds on the sidewalk to cool down a bit.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^Stop drinking trump’s piss. At least for a week.

Darth_Algar's avatar

Or even a day.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@KNOWITALL I am not a Democrat, and my screed against the turd has nothing to do with the fact that he claims to be a Republican. My complaint is about the Corlione family entrenched in the White House with Fredo as President. I’m going to tell you again that this turd defies any Republican / Democratic competition. All of us should pay attention, because this is the most clear cut case of decency vs. avarice that we are likely to see in our lifetime. Trump is crime in the open. And that is an insult to us all, and he must not be allowed to get away with it. Here’s the bottom line: if justice cannot prevail against even our STUPID criminals, what hope is there?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@stanley I don’t see it that way but I respect your right to your feelings. When I balance a mountain of dead babies against Trumps perceived ‘crimes’, my choice is very easy. None of you seem to understand how big an issue that is across party lines, economic lines or geographical lines. Maybe take a look at the demographics of the 2020 March for Life that got no media coverage on MSM.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

Aside from lip service what, specifically, has Donald Trump done about that “mountain of dead babies”? As with just about everything the man talks a big game, but when it comes down to it is a no-nut bullshitter.

jca2's avatar

Donald Trump used to be pro-choice and then switched to pro-life.

Jonsblond's avatar

I’m sure Trump has paid for a few abortions in his lifetime as well.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar If I thought you cared, I’d go into a detailed list of things, but since I know you do not, here’s an old article that sums up the basics.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/us/politics/trump-abortion-evangelicals-2020.html

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

I said aside from lip service. I know he sucks up to the evangelical crowd a lot, but what has he actually done?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar The appointment of Pro Life judges including the Supreme Court is not lip service. Don’t you remember how hard Dems tried to take down Kavanaugh?

gorillapaws's avatar

@KNOWITALL How much evil would you be willing to excuse before it outweighs that one SC appointment in your mind? Could Trump intentionally nuke an innocent city and still get the green light because of the zygotes outnumbering the dead innocents in the bomb? Could he systematically execute all brown immigrants and still come out ahead for you due to the moral calculus that millions of zygotes creates in your mind? What if he made the planet uninhabitable for humanity (including those zygotes-in-question)? Would that cross the line for you?

seawulf575's avatar

@gorillapaws How many dead babies would it take before you start seeing that as more evil that anything Trump is doing? If the government took a page out of China’s playbook and made abortions mandatory, would that seem more evil to you?

KNOWITALL's avatar

@gorillapaws I think its around 60 million dead babies and since everything you posted is hypothetical, I can’t answer that accurately.

@seawulf More dead than the Holocaust and they don’t care. As a matter of fact, lets kill them AFTER they feel pain. Freaking sadists.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL “Don’t you remember how hard Dems tried to take down Kavanaugh?”

No. I remember that he had to endure a Senate confirmation hearing, something that all Supreme Court nominees in our nation’s history have had to do. I remember he pitched a screaming, crying tantrum about it (which, to me, showed right then and there that he’s not fit for the position). I remember he had to answer some questions about his history and behavior. I remember he seemed unable to conduct himself like an adult.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar He scared a drunk chick at a party as a kid, not great but ruining his career decades later and dragging his family thru the mud? Not okay. You spin it however you like.
It’s just like the impeachment, Muller, Stormy et al. Something out of nothing to ruin his term and take him out of 2020.

And I’ll be very honest, if Reps did this to Bill, minus the interns and scandals, aka ACTUAL proof, I’d have been furious.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

You all act like it’s a criminal trial. It’s not. It’s a job interview for one of the most important positions in the country. Knowing a person’s character is important here. And one seeking the position should expect some tough questions. If they cannot handle that then they should decline the nomination.

Maybe you want those holding high office to be handled with kid gloves, but I sure as shit don’t.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Darth_Algar I do think a little respect should be given, yes. Public service is a sacrifice in many ways

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

Pfft, they weaponized the #metoo movement and tried to defame his character in a very unsavory way. My default stance is to believe accusations of abuse but his accuser was clearly either stretching the truth or outright lying. It did a lot of damage to the #metoo movement if you asked me.

Darth_Algar's avatar

@KNOWITALL

Respect isn’t the question here. When you’re seeking a position like a seat on the SCOTUS bench you should be grilled about yourself, you personality, your behavior, your past, etc. The position is far too important not to.

Christ, I’ve known guys grilled harder than that just to get a security clearance to work a job painting the interior of a plant where nuclear materials were handled. And justifiably so. But evidently this country has a higher standard for the guy painting a cafeteria than it does for a guy who’s going to be making decisions that can effect the country forever.

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cheebdragon's avatar

It’s unfortunate she didn’t feel the incident was worth mentioning during the 12 years he was a circuit judge, considering the direct impact his decisions would’ve had on countless lives involved in cases he presided over.

I guess she just had other priorities

Dutchess_III's avatar

Well, I’m disappointed @cheebdragon. I thought you were a female and understood this shit.
It was an assault. It was traumatic. She didn’t tell anyone because she was ashamed. That’s how it was then. A woman, or a girl, is sexually assaulted and it’s their own fault. In many ways it still is, to this day. I never told any one about various assaults that happened to me until I got to Fluther.
And she DID tell someone while he was a circuit judge. He was a judge from 2006 to 2018. She opened up about it in therapy for the first time, that WE know of, in 2012. It obviously made no difference in “countless lives.” And it is STILL making no difference, is it.
Source

seawulf575's avatar

@Dutchess_III give it a rest. Most sane people recognize the inconsistencies in Ford’s testimony. Yes, you gave a CNN citation. Guess what it left out? Well, it left out the statement from her ex-boyfriend testifying under oath that he witnessed her coaching others on how to beat a polygraph. It left out the fact she couldn’t remember where or when it actually happened, yet was so traumatic she just knew it was Kavanaugh. It did give the timeline that she went to Feinstein in late July and Feinstein didn’t bring it up until mid-September, but fails to mention that she brought it up after Kavanaugh had gone through his confirmation hearing and nothing came up that would be reasonable for keeping him off the bench. If it was that drastic, why not bring it up before the hearings? Or during the hearings? Why wait until he was all done being grilled before realizing you had nothing else on him? The CNN article failed to mention that she refused to fly to DC to testify because she had a debilitating fear of flying, and that it later came out she flew a lot for work or vacations and had no problems with that.
Ford was a plant…a liberal activist willing to perjure herself for the cause.

seawulf575's avatar

And her deception hurts actual victims even that much more.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@Dutchess_III Why are we not allowed to have an opinion different than yours on anything?

I don’t understand being a ‘champion of womens rights’ in your own mind, then trying to shame or demean other females when they disagree with you.

Fact is NONE of us have all the answers, we’re all trying to figure it out. I’m not trying to be mean, but so often it feels like you intentionally antagonize people being so disrespectul. You are better than that, because I’ve known you several years now.

Dutchess_III's avatar

I just can’t believe any woman would say that! It just blows my mind.

mazingerz88's avatar

^^No need for your mind to get blown. Hard to accept but it’s just simple truth. Kavanaugh defenders don’t care about that he assaulted Ford. It’s all Ford’s fault. She should have given it a rest. Give it a rest. Nice isn’t it?

Kavanaugh has a purpose more important than any woman moaning about getting assaulted many years ago. He in the SC calms their mind @Dutchess_III and soothes their souls.

Dutchess_III's avatar

He is disgusting. Right up trump’s ally.
Thanks for the support @mazingerz88. I truly appreciate it. It soothes my soul.

mazingerz88's avatar

I think Ford knew it. She was just thankful and grateful she got heard.

No Republican politician who was also a father, brother or son insisted to investigate and grill that friend of Kavanaugh who was there in the room. They were satisfied he signed something exonerating his buddy. And that’s it.

Even if there was a tape of that assault, do you really think Republicans at this point wouldn’t call it fake or worse put the blame on her?

Dutchess_III's avatar

They would blame her. “Look at the way she looked at him!” She could be looking at him in terror and they’d call it seductive. They seem to be able to convince themselves of anything.

ARE_you_kidding_me's avatar

I believe it was obvious that she was lying It was a smear campaign to keep him out of the supreme court. This sort of thing does happen. Not every single allegation of abuse is true. This is why we have due process. It does not matter what you or I think. Guilt by accusation is not something that should be tolerated nor should innocence by default. As a result of this #metoo has taken a bit of a hit which is unfortunate. It is essential that women feel confident in calling out abuse otherwise abusers will continue to terrorize. Weinstein is a perfect example of that. That sack of shit is guilty as hell and I hope that is where he goes to burn. I have a couple of women who are very close in my life that are suffering permanent damage from sexual abuse so I do not say such things lightly. I also feel that false allegations if proven should come with serious jail time, there should be a special place in hell for those too. It almost makes me want to believe in hell.

cheebdragon's avatar

@mazingerz88 & Dutchess_lll Where did I defend Kavanaugh or call Ford a liar?

Dutchess_III's avatar

You implied it when you questioned why she hadn’t said anything in all those years. That was the right’s main argument for insisting that she made it up. If it really happened, she would have told people about it.
You and I know that isn’t necessarily true.
And, as I pointed out, she _ did_ say something in the middle of his term. It didn’t save a single soul.

cheebdragon's avatar

@Dutchess_III I wasn’t implying anything, just stating a fact. ….

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