If it were possible, would Fluther have a Vera De Milo, Man-haters Club?

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Al Bundy had No Mam, Spanky and Alfalfa had He-Man Women Haters Club.

Well, huhn. IMHO. I have noticed that some gauntlets have been tossed down lately by the answers for some questions that stirred the pot, so to speak. It is not a trend, in my opinion. If you go back and see some of the answers that some have posted prior to a trigger question, sometimes people have gone off once in awhile. Or two.
If there is a girl about a guy question, most people who answer are positive. Some try to explain why such-and-such happened, or cite similar experiences. Male answers weigh in number mostly equal to women’s.
When it is a guy asking about a girl question, I have been interested that both genders are not as quick to try to ‘explain’ the situation. Males, here, tend to ‘slide by’ in answering the questions on relationship questions by other guys. Lack of interest for some, I suppose.
Oh- and on these particular questions, there are usually a high number, both sexes answered advising the person to – “kick the person to the curb, throw them out, get rid of them… Etc.” Not a forgiving lot. Myself included.
Anyone out to trample the other sex seem to go in short jags that a couple of individuals may undertake against a couple on the opposite sex’s view of the issue, and off it goes. But the ‘foes’ seem well familiarized with whom they are sparring with.
A Huge difference that I have seen and watched as they go, are the vast number of off-color statements some make about women sexually, and their bodies. Females here tend not to do so, concerning the same issues with the male anatomy nor sexual acts, nor be so….blunt?....graphic? Off- color can be counted on by some who find it humorous.(?)
Many of the blue comments do not get flagged nor censored, when other issues are tagged and edited, not being necessarily treated equally with the often negative female body and sexual jibes. It’s just viewed…differently? As an equalizer? Or a Who Cares?. I don’t know the answer why, as asked. It just is…pos or neg. It just is, here.
I watch and enjoy the sometimes ping pong game of responses and trends. I have learned a lot on some issues, by reading and considering points others make or have alluded to. Which is good. Opposite sex smashing – sometimes in various questions does occur- depending upon the basis of the question’s true inquiry. But that’s what makes things work, here.
Things are, here, as they are. All of us. IMHO.
Sorry for length, or that I’m first. Kismet, I guess.

I’m not really sure what would be wrong with a man haters club. Men are pretty horrible (myself included).

How about this MAN.. Once you come out publicly (And all your fellow MRA assholes) and denounce all the male shooters that seem to cite women not respecting them (read: so awkward they can’t get laid) as the reason they shoot up that high school or college we can debate. Once all of you get on tv and denounce the shitbag that shot up the College a few miles south of me a few months ago we can have a conversation.

Four words for you, @Hypocrisy_Central, as you rail against women that are angry at, afraid of or simply dislike most men:
Misandry annoys; misogyny kills.
If you are annoyed, scroll past.

I don’t hate all men; I’m pretty specific about those I dislike and it’s usually for a very good reason. (And did you really mean Vera de Milo?)

@janbb :: it is totally reasonable if you did hate all men. Watch the news. 99% of the bad shit is done by men.

Fun story.. Around 6 pm tonight I walked to the store to get a freezer pizza and some beer. So I walk up to a crosswalk and there was a lady waiting. I could tell that she was a bit weirded out by me standing behind her. It was dark and nobody else was around and there are a bunch of nooks I could have raped her in. But I was mostly concerned about the pizza melting and dripping all over my backpack.

So I decided to cross the street so she wouldn’t need to be worried about the homeless looking dude walking behind her. I actually had to cross back since I live on that side of the street.

I posted a picture of me with my family eating Chinese to other day. 50% of the females in that picture have been raped and told me about it.

So your (H_C and not jan) bullshit sense of entitlement in regard to women fucking pains me. I mean this in the worst possible way. I hope my niece never dates you. I feel that you are the type of guy that feels like you are owed sex if you buy dinner. You are the dude that thinks you should get a say about a abortion but will quit your job to get out of child support.

All wars were and are started by men.
The orchestrators of the holocaust? Men.
The orchestrators of the mass starvation in Soviet Russia? Men.
And it goes on and on and on.
Men are violent filth, that is just a fact.
The world would be so much better if men could be genetically engineered to be nothing but a torso and a penis. No arms, no legs, no head.

My guess is that the great majority of the women here are ahead of the society they inhabit when it comes to matters of misogyny. I doubt if there is much if any desire for a man-haters club, because, simply put, the women here aren’t prone to suffer abuse or tolerate attempts at it, from the men in their lives. Why resent men, when it’s so easy to just “keep em in line”.

You seem to be operating under the assumption that I don’t disdain nearly everyone equally, with very specific exceptions.

Oh no! Someone on the internet said something slightly disrespectful of men! That’s totally comparable to living in a society that pays you less, holds public debates over whether or not you deserve basic human rights, and ignores near constant threats to your physical wellbeing! How unfortunate we men are!

@JeSuisRickSpringfield Indeed. Come on over here so I can sooth your ruffled feathers.

Let’s be more specific: I don’t hate men in general. I absolutely despise anyone who sees a woman as primarily property, a thing for their use, an object they can approve or disapprove of, and someone that owes them attention.

I am not here to please you.
I am not here to entertain you.
I am not here to titillate you.
I am not walking down the street hoping you’ll shout at me.
I do not owe you a conversation if you do shout.
I do not owe you anything for the drink you sent across the bar.
I do not owe you anything for your permission to exist.
Fuck you.

@stanleybmanly: I can’t honestly tell if your tongue was in your cheek with that “keep ‘em in line” remark, . Previous posts from you on the subject of how you perceive women reacting to circumstances would indicate not.

What “line”, exactly, would that be?

I don’t hate men. I’ve always liked men and I suspect that I always will.

What I can’t get my mind around is whether you and Donald Trump have taken a step forward, or a step back, @Hypocrisy_Central.

Past misogynist culture held that women who challenged the innate superiority of men were, clearly, lesbians.

Current misogynist culture is that women resent men because “physically men in general are stronger and faster”. Women just fail to accept their innate inferiority to men.

When all feminists were dykes, were you guys implying that the rest of women knew their place, behind men?
Or has Trump led the whole misogynist pig culture back to his heyday in military school during the Ike administration? Where polite little ladies knew their place and the rest were just asking for [male dominated] derision?

Enlighten us, please?

I don’t hate men who don’t think women should be ahead (non-radical feminism is about equality, not putting women ahead of men), but I sure as hell can’t stand the ones who think we should be behind. I find the ones who think feminism is a sneaky plot to put women ahead of men are usually the same ones who think we should be behind.

It’s rainin men
Hallelujah, it’s rainin men
Tall, dark, strong & lean
Rough & tough &...ahem, do carry on.

I have no idea what you are actually saying. I rarely do but your general tone is often misogynistic. I very much dislike that in a person. Does that answer your question?

@candidmajor Semantics! It would of course be the career soldier whose ears perk up at mention of “the line”. Here I mean “the line” as the border to misogyny. The question is about the the desire for a man haters club here. My answer is that there is no incentive HERE for such a thing because the women on this site are more than capable of discerning any incursion over “the line” and will rain hell down on the fool responsible.

I guess you can call it yes mam.

There are a couple people here with some real issues directed to the opposite gender but most seem well adjusted and secure. It surprises me though when the ones that have issues get called out how many will come to their defense even if it’s not warranted.

@johnpowell Really? You don’t see anything wrong with a man haters club? Would you see anything wrong with a female haters club? Neither of those will ever be ok. 99% of the bad shit is not all done by men. Women are capable of great evil as are men. You should never apologize for being male.

Jesus, just looking at all of the GA’s on all of the “men are evil” and the lack of them in the “I don’t have a problem with men” posts here. WOW! So what is the secret man-hater handshake?

Oh holy crap! I read this and about choked.
Perhaps this might help make things better.
Or funnier.
Hey- it’s scientific theory….
God made Eve from Adam’s PENIS and not his rib, claims academic
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Please excuse the vernacular in the article’s title….

@ARE_you_kidding_me, I really don’t think anyone here believes all men are evil. Individually, most men are decent human beings. Some may be misguided or ignorant, but they’re not usually evil.

However, when you consider who makes the decisions that take countries into war, who carries out most murders, rapes and assaults, who is in charge of most major corporations that are abusing the planet in various ways (and so on and so on), it’s usually men. There are some female leaders, but they are in a minority. So the notion that men are responsible for many of the ills on this planet is not untrue. Perhaps if more women were allowed to rise to positions of power we could more equally share the blame for the ills of the world.

@ARE_you_kidding_me “Jesus, just looking at all of the GA’s on all of the “men are evil” and the lack of them in the “I don’t have a problem with men” posts here. ”

I must have missed the “men are evil” posts. Could you point them out for me?

@dappled_leaves
one
two

…and then the ones that have to preface with the disclaimer “I don’t hate all but..”

@canidmajor Misandry annoys; misogyny kills.
The thing about misogyny is most people do not have a clue of what it is when they see it.

@janbb (And did you really mean Vera de Milo?)
It was a play on the alter ego of her, I guess, on the defunct show In Living Color where Vera was an ugly, he-man, woman which was played by ¬*Jim Carrey*.

@johnpowell So your (H_C and not jan) bullshit sense of entitlement in regard to women fucking pains me.
So, you feel I believe I am entitles of something at women’s expense. Bring up a quote where I said I was, so I can show you in no small detail your misunderstanding or fantasy you concocted.

I mean this in the worst possible way. I hope my niece never dates you.
Oh, I am soooooooo hurt < boo hoo>.—Who says I would want her anyhow?

I feel that you are the type of guy that feels like you are owed sex if you buy dinner.
Wrong, if she would be ready to get naked and boink like bunnies off a spaghetti dinner, I would let her get undress then toss her some cash and tell her she established what and who she is, but she needs to up her price. I would not want to be with any woman who would have standards so low as to give it up that easy, I pass.

@ibstubro What I can’t get my mind around is whether you and Donald Trump have taken a step forward, or a step back, @Hypocrisy_Central.
I don’t know what Trump thinks, but I am sure he neither set the world back, nor advances the world forward.

Current misogynist culture is that women resent men because “physically men in general are stronger and faster”. Women just fail to accept their innate inferiority to men.
You are saying women are cool with what nature dealt them, in a world that is just the world? If they resent any fact men are generally faster or stronger, that is a fact, not any fiction made up, so if they are not at peace with it, it is denial on their part no misogyny involved

Enlighten us, please?
I could, but wouldn’t it be like trying to say how 4+4 is 8 when someone doesn’t believe in numbers. Men and women are like software and hardware; can one truly be useful without the other?

@Stinley I have no idea what you are actually saying. I rarely do but your general tone is often misogynistic.
Generally any disagreement or not bowing to women is misogyny.

Go ahead and build your time machine so you can go back to the 1950’s. You ain’t gettin’ no love here.

(You are an example of the uselessness of argument due to the Dunning-Kruger Effect)

I knew better than to think this could be productive discussion. Unfollow.

@Seek
The old adage holds true: Evil people never see themselves as evil.

@canidmajor See?

@Hypocrisy_Central “I feel that you are the type of guy that feels like you are owed sex if you buy dinner.
Wrong, if she would be ready to get naked and boink like bunnies off a spaghetti dinner, I would let her get undress then toss her some cash and tell her she established what and who she is, but she needs to up her price. I would not want to be with any woman who would have standards so low as to give it up that easy, I pass.”

That’s pretty harsh, I think you may be trolling just a little here…

I’m having a tough time understanding what’s going on here. It’s pointless to deny that misogyny is systemic in the world. What I’m wondering is if anyone here believes that HC is actually devoted to the subjugation of women?

@stanleybmanly: See what? I don’t think the women of Fluther could be bothered to rain hell, or anything else for that matter down on you. If you insist on making it a dominance game, (“keep ‘em in line”, “rain hell down on” them), you’re really not getting it.
How about men and women treat each other with respect and dignity? Most of us do, you know, but I get the feeling you don’t believe that’s possible, so you don’t see it.
What a shame.

Hell hath no fury…;-}

@stanleybmanly – I’ve known Hypo since I was a 19 year old religious fundamentalist on Answerbag. I just turned 30 this week.

His tune has never changed, not a bit. If he is trolling, he’s playing the long game.

^^Happy Birthday from the man-hating lesbian feminist. Well, I don’t hate the hot ones.

Thanks, from the general-everyone-hating sexually-ambivalent feminist, who doesn’t hate the smart ones.

^^Happy birthday from the other fairy.

Haha, thanks. ^_

^^ happy birthday from the average white guy.

Thanks :-)

@canidmajor I DO believe that men and women can treat each other with respect and dignity. THAT is NOT what misogyny is about.
The “see” was about the hell raining down at the time I wrote it. It was as though HC deliberately crossed “the line” to demonstrate the point, and
the reaction was as predicted.

Misogyny IS a dominance game and its systemic. It is about the relegation of men and women to separate roles based on physiological differences. The shameful fact that the absurdity of the argument is only recently recognized is no excuse for tolerating its persistence, and those on the short end of the stick are every bit justified in being sensitive to its apparition whenever it occurs.

And I repeat that my comments about “keep em in line” and “rain down hell” are about the specific question above regarding this site and the women here, and I feel vindicated in my position. You are quite correct. No one bothered to “rain” on me, but the “rain” surely fell on someone.

If I may presume, @stanleybmanly, but I believe what you’re saying is that we girl-types of Fluther would not “need” an anti-boy-type union because we feel free to openly correct what we perceive as slights to our girl-ness when needed, without having to resort to a secret society of boy-type bashing behind closed doors, lest someone hear us.

“Ladies’ Clubs” are very popular with churches of the type I grew up in. They spent a lot of time explaining to the women “how men think”, always from the perspective of the married woman teaching the class, and never with a man’s input on the lesson. They consisted mostly of coming up with excuses for abusive behaviour, detailing “male weaknesses” and their “struggles”, and generally referring to men (in a thinly veiled, pious way) as ravenous beasts with appetites from the pits of hell, that were only barely kept at bay by God’s good graces. Of course, any man you didn’t meet on a church pew didn’t have those graces, and thus were little better than the Devil himself.

THAT is anti-male sexism, if you ask me. Not telling some dude to fuck off because he immediately jumps to abuse when you turn down an invitation, and not asking for the government to get their noses out of our uteruses.

YES. It isn’t man-hating to “call a spade a spade”

Same planet, different worlds, @stanleybmanly. You keep proving my point while trying to refute my point.
I give up. You saw hell raining down, I saw exasperation. That’s all.

I see @stanleybmanly as on “our side.”

@Seek um, damn. I figured as much but to hear it reaffirms my “stay the f*ck away from religion” life stance. @janbb “our side”? Since when is calling out bullshit whether misandric or misogynistic taking sides?

@janbb yes penguin. I agree with your position, but my point is that the women here require neither backup nor a man hating club to confront this question or those of its ilk.

@ARE_you_kidding_me Hence the irony of the quotation marks.

@ARE you kidding me You may consider this a matter without sides, but if you read the question, it all but stipulates that there is some contigent of women here suffering penis envy

@stanleybmanly It’s not something I take sides on even if I take flak or if I have to swim against the tide pool.

@janbb can be hard to spot ”” in little type

I wouldn’t be a part of it. I like hanging with the men.

@ARE_you_kidding_me That’s pretty harsh, I think you may be trolling just a little here…
OK, it might be more wishful thinking than to actually do it in that manner, but in my heart I would think it. Why would I want someone who can be made merchandise over a meal or a pair of expensive shoes? If it was so easy for me, it would be just as easy for the next guy, hard to believe she would have genuine feelings for anyone, if you have the deep pocket, you have her. I never troll, the mods would be all over that, but I am sure if they took a hiatus I am more than able to carpet bomb this lagoon in a legendary way people would talk about it years later like 9/11. ~~

@Seek His tune has never changed, not a bit. If he is trolling, he’s playing the long game.
Refer to comment above

@stanleybmanly The “see” was about the hell raining down at the time I wrote it. It was as though HC deliberately crossed “the line” to demonstrate the point, and the reaction was as predicted.
If the facts are there and I just illuminate it there was no line to cross. Racism existed in the South, merely pointing out a lynching is not crossing the line.

@janbb I see @stanleybmanly as on “our side.”
People are getting all ruffled and raising their hackles because they believe there would never be, or there is no need to have a man bashing club here on Fluther or in the real world, and yet like law enforcement, when it appears someone is not giving women both ears and the tail, they close ranks in solidarity even if what they are standing for is ludicrous. Kind of proves a reason for musing over the question asked, if it is just people, why do you see the need to have ”sides”?

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I like everyone, until they give me a reason not to.
If you’re an arrogant prick, condescending, have chauvinistic ideals, you will be acknowledged for the enormous weenie that you are and told to hop into your wiener mobile and vacate my personal space. lol

or tiny weenie, as appropriate

@Seek LOL, Micro-mind and micro-penis, always a wiener! haha

I say no.

A cannot stand baseless trends.

Such drivel is already available at /r/Feminism anyway.