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tinyfaery's avatar

Are any of your friends and family who support Trump wavering?

Asked by tinyfaery (41505points) 3 weeks ago

I’m just curious. I do not know anyone who supports Trump (yay!).

With his callous tweets over the last few days and general indifference to any kind of human suffering, his incompetence and seemingly compulsive lying, it seems to me a lot of his supporters should be having second thoughts about their support of him.

What are your observations about this?

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cookieman's avatar

Quite the opposite. We are friends with one couple (and their kids) who are Trump supporters, and they are more supportive. They really buy into this magical, 1950s, Happy Days, Leave it to Beaver Land that they believe existed and that Trump will be somehow returning us to.

Their seventeen-year-old (17!!!) writes on Instagram about the Trump wall, “Just one more step toward returning to the good old days when families were families and America was safe.”

It’s mind-bogglingly ignorant.

elbanditoroso's avatar

My ex-wife is a staunch Fox News watcher and Trump supporter.

My daughter (who, like me, cannot stand Trump) got into a heated argument with her mom last week – something along the lines of “Mom, you’re an intelligent woman, how can you buy that bilge that the Trumpies say and Fox News repeats?”

Ex-wife doesn’t really have a whole lot of reasoning behind that she is saying, other than “that’s what I think”

So in my social group, there is no wavering. Fox News is like a dangerous opioid for the brain,

KNOWITALL's avatar

Wavering, no. Still supporting him and acknowledging his mistakes/foibles, yes.

rockfan's avatar

My grandmother (on my dad’s side) still supports Trump. She doesn’t read, watch news, or do anything to educate herself about politics. She just hears short soundbites of Trump “acting tough on crime” on rightwing websites.

tinyfaery's avatar

Well, that’s just…wtf? The things people accept are just disgusting and depressing.

Haha, foibles.

Kardamom's avatar

No. My cousin and her husband thrive by drinking the Kool-Aid. They love Trump, and assault weapons and everything that destroys America.

stanleybmanly's avatar

There is only one person I know who will cop to fanhood of Trump, and yet I consider him a friend. We see him yearly at the Christmas white elephant party, and the rest of us don’t bring up politics. He’s been down on his luck for years, but was rescued this year by turning 65 and joining many of us in the social security lifeboat. I cannot bring myself to rub his face in the Trump muck.

seawulf575's avatar

Sort of the opposite. My wife, daughter and son were all either non-political, or leaning towards the left (son was a Bernie fan in 2016). But after two years of non-stop propaganda against Trump, they are all fed up with the media bias and are seeing through the crap. They aren’t necessarily Trump fans, but they are not as anti-Trump as the media and the career politicians would like.

flutherother's avatar

I don’t know anyone in real life that supports Trump. It seems that those that do support him have dug in so deep they can’t see over the parapet. Support for Trump is a strange unreasoning phenomenon I never expected to see flourish in the US and I hope it doesn’t last much longer.

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mazingerz88's avatar

Luckily I haven’t conversed yet with a die-hard trump believer. There must be a God.

The closest to a trump “supporter” that I know is my friend’s neighbor, a really great guy in his 70s. He’s the best neighbor anyone could wish for.

He didn’t vote for trump but what he does is argue for trump’s position. Trump is not a politician so these things that are happening shouldn’t come as a surprise etc. etc.

I don’t think he’ll change his views about trump.

Yellowdog's avatar

Since the mid-terms a lot of us have less a sense of urgency.

I do not see any incessant and endless lying from Trump or his followers, nor any indifference to human suffering. I realize many of you talk about it and get ecstatic like a wet dream. But if we are conservatives, then we take the position we always have. We are not an active force trying to radically sway the nation or world towards something it is not. We take the position we always have.

Jeruba's avatar

> I do not see any incessant and endless lying from Trump

Q.E.D.

rojo's avatar

I have not noticed any straying from the dark side.

But I have noticed that those I know who are followers are not as vocal these days, preferring to keep quietly to themselves. I am used to aggressive rebuttals/denials so it is as though they have lost the desire or ability to defend his actions but still cannot bring themselves to repudiate them, perhaps because deep down inside they still agree with the basic premise of the white mans burden and manifest destiny.

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josie's avatar

I got a few buddies who are hard core Trumpists.

They not only are not wavering, they are pleased. This is just what they wanted.

A quote from Richie at my Christmas party-“I love the way Trump pisses off the people who piss me off.”

There you go.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@josie Same here, they LOVE it.

@rojo I think they are all just tired of endless arguments, I bet if he does run in 2020 those same people will vote for him again.

flutherother's avatar

Is the president supposed to piss people off? It seems a bit negative to me.

JLeslie's avatar

Nope. My Trump friends wholeheartedly support him. Many of them post on Facebook why the things he does are good things.

Qav's avatar

For me, I think they are. They initially let him attain a god-like stance, but his words, his Twitters, his actions have made him waiver, even to very staunch Trumpers. I also think that some are not able to let him off their high-places because of their personal pride.

For some, they saw that hair just one too many times.

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JLeslie's avatar

@Qav You think they are? Does that mean you are just guessing?

Qav's avatar

@JLeslie I live so far from my peripheral family members, having only the closest in my state, that I have to guess what people are thinking by their emails. I think some are too proud to admit that they have regrets.

As far as friends, waaalll, I have to admit that I dropped most 19 years ago when I left their church.

Of course, some of these were never trump fans.

JLeslie's avatar

@Qav I just ask, because pretty much everyone else is saying the Trump fans are still fans.

I keep hearing Democrats saying now is the time, the Trumpers will see the light. They have been saying it for 2.5 years. Those people who say this time is different just don’t seem to understand or even know the Trump supporters, they are just in their own heads. I’m not talking about Republicans in general who might have wound up voting for Trump, but the hard core Trump voter in my experience has not changed their mind

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JLeslie's avatar

@josie I get crap too, and I agree with almost all of what you wrote PLUS I want socialized medicine, and I’m annoyed with tax money going to religious organizations. I am completely pro supporting our public schools K-12. I am in favor of free (in some cases) or low tuition tertiary education, but it has to be done with fiscal responsibility and not for everyone, but for everyone who qualifies and proves themselves to benefit.

I have always been a registered Democrat, I have voted over 90% Democrat, and always Democrats for President.

Yet, if I state the republican or Trump POV, even if I don’t agree with it, just trying to explain it, I get all sorts of hate. Once in a while I do agree and I say that, but usually I am quite left leaning. If I think the left is going too far, or I point out pitfalls they jump all over me. A perfect example is ACA. All sorts of problems with the ACA, and people just talk about how some people will be uninsured, I want everyone to be insured. Blinded with talking points. No one wants to be analytical or hear the pitfalls.

It’s frustrating.

@Yellowdog I mostly agree with your point. It’s why I asked Qav if she actually knows any Trump supporters. People keep making assumptions about each other; both Democrats and Republicans do this. Both northerners and southerners do it. Not urban and rural people do it. It’s a very big problem.

How will the country come together if we don’t know each other and listen to each other. Where you live many of the African Americans have a lot of conservative tendencies, especially on the social issues, because of the huge influence of religion in their community. I know a few Republicans in Memphis who are African American also, although the majority identify as Democrats. Memphis is a mostly Democrat City, because if the arts and the African American community, and I think partly as the dichotomy between the Shelby suburbs and the inner city.

I can understand why some people choose not to associate with the other side so to speak, but I don’t understand how someone thinks they know how the other person is thinking and what is in their heart, and their motive, if they don’t bother to know, listen to, and understand them.

seawulf575's avatar

@Yellowdog the part I found particularly distressing is that some of these folks act like it is beneath them to know a Republican even. So I was trying to picture how they meet people. “Hi! My name is George. You’re not a Republican are you?” Amazing.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@Yellowdog I’m not bragging about the fact that I know so few people in league with Trump. And the fact that the 2 populations are isolated from one another is troublesome. In view of this, you & the wulf have a special obligation here with the unenviable task of defending the indefensible. @seawulf575. There’s so much money out here that of course there are Republicans. The bulk of them have better sense than to mount a defense of Trump.

seawulf575's avatar

@stanleybmanly your statement shows a certain ignorance of reality. “There’s so much money out here that of course there are Republicans.” Really? Ever notice that most of the millionaires and billionaires lean left and are Dems? So your statement seems to ignore reality to a disturbing depth.

KNOWITALL's avatar

@seawulf575 Not to mention how many ACTUAL racists are Dems, at least in my area.

stanleybmanly's avatar

@seawulf575 I haven’t noticed that & neither have you. I will grant you that there is a HUGE concentration of wealth in this neck of the woods, the owners of which lean decidedly left and despise Trump.

janbb's avatar

Rather than throwing bricks back and forth, is it possible to agree that certain geographic regions lean more left and some more right. So if a person says they don’t know any Trump supporters or Democrats, maybe that’s just a fact. Or maybe many of us don’t talk to folks from the other “side” because there’s no point. Clearly some Republicans are wavering, just not here. Why must it always be a fight here?

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tinyfaery's avatar

Of course I’m proud I don’t know any Trump supporters. I’m proud of the people I know, my city and my state. However, I know many Republicans. I’m even related to some. None of them support Trump.

I also live in Los Angeles. According to the County Registrar of Los Angeles Donald Trump got 22.5% of the vote. The chances of me coming across anyone who currently supports Trump or even once supported Trump is low, especially in my area of Los Angeles.

Also, not sure how many times I have to say it, I’ll even put it in all caps, I AM NOT A DEMOCRAT and frankly, I’ll never be one until the DNC stops it criminal activity. I guess the Repubs of fluther never fail to perform, or more fittingly, perform inappropriately, in my case.

I belong to the Green Party of California because they promote values I agree with.

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ucme's avatar

Obviously being an englishman I don’t know anyone who actually voted for him, but the impression i’m getting is that Trump supporters believe he shits tiffany cufflinks & there’s nothing, literally nothing he could do that would even make a dent in their view of him.
Lowest common denominator has definitely been breached.

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Stache's avatar

@Yellowdog: “Some of you are actually bragging about not knowing any Trump supporters. How can this be a good thing in a diverse society?”

I know plenty of Republicans, Libertarians, Green Party and Democrats. Trump supporters are something special. (One of these things is not like the others ♫).

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Kardamom's avatar

My goodness! What happened here? The Q seemed pretty straighforward. Either your Trump supporting friends and relatives have become less supportive of Trump over time, their suppport has remained steady, or their support has increased.

In my case, my Trump supporting relatives have become more supportive, and more angry towards me, to the point where I had to unfollow them.

One of my cousins has become downright mean towards me, and anyone who disagrees with her.

She and her husband purposely left California, to go to a “red” state, so she could be around people who love Trump, and assault weapons (she owns several) and to not have to pay state taxes, which she deems unconstitotional. In doing so, she has alienated most of her immediate, and extended family members.

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